You're probably right re the cause of confusion. But I've organised it myself like that previously from the employer viewpoint cos it makes sense I.e. you (the union/s) get X number of hours facility to divide up how you like and then X amount more if there's anything extra going on e.g. Redundancies or whatever.
It's not always decided at national level, you know.
Aye, but facility time from an employers' point of view is time off for union activities which can range from allowing stewards time to hold meetings, to consultation, to representation, to recruitment to etc etc etc (as you know) and can also include time for full timers to come in and assist local reps. As I said, depends on how it's organised. But yeah, looks like Daz is still employed by the uni but I just thought I'd ask.
I used to allow pretty much as much time as the union/s wanted and didn't allocate it to paid employees as such. Which if you think about it the union/s should have resisted but they loved it.
I much much prefer that type of set up, I can 't stand what happens when unions build in a management hierarchy of their own. You might well find that locally they allow you more time than the allocated amount if you need it, too. Don't think of it as cosying up to management to get it though (although of course it is) you have to be Machiavellian about these things. Sorry for the personal questions, I'm just curious and I like it when union reps are very effective in what they do and not bogged down by bureaucracy. Good to see you back
What about pieces by phil dywer?
I'm not particularly attached to suppressing it, quite the reverse because it's a case of "I fucking predicted this, as did many others" but wondering whether the IWW thread is the best place for it. I don't think it's sufficiently major for a thread on its own, but it may contribute to derailing the IWW thread further plus possibly being offputting at a time when I think it's a good idea for people to join unions if they don't feel able or inclined to self organise.
I think it's a good idea for people to join unions too, but I also think it's a good idea that they do so with some sort of understanding of what's going on.
Here: http://www.change.org/petitions/justice-for-the-cleaners-at-societe-generale
If you look carefully I was asking Spanky for his opinion and voicing my should I/shouldn't I/where. But yes, I get your point, thanks.
Aye, exactlyit's what we predicted then... what a mess.
Hiya.
It's not clear what they have been suspended for, exactly. Therein might lie effective grounds for appeal rather than ( or in addition to) this petition malarkey.fucks sake.
