Al Qaeda a myth says Russian

[Lock&Light]

I must admit I also thought that about Raisin.

I never look into the Middle East forum any more, as I can't be bothered to read the endless bullshit certain posters (not Raisin in particular) who spoil it.

However I'm prepared to accept your judgement on that as I agree with all the rest of your posting.

 

[Raisin D'etre]

And thank you Wess. It's nice to hear something positive for a change!

 

[Pickman's model]

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[Raisin D'etre]

 

[Lock&Light]

You stupid boy (and girl).

 

[nino_savatte]

Now stop this at once!

Edtied to add: othewwise, I'm gonna fwow me wattle out of the pwam!

 

[editor]

I believe it was terrorists in hijacked planes that brought the WTC down (and crashed a plane into the Pentagon) and for many reasons ( it's not the first attack on the WTC, a truck with a few ton of explosives was planted in the basement of the WTC a few years ago, and many planes have been hijacked by terrorists in the past).

We all know that the American Government lie's, and that they (Bush Gov.) used 911 for their own purposes, political and otherwise.

But just because they grabbed the opportunity and ran with it does not mean they were responsible for it happening or indeed that they "let it happen"...


I just don't believe it would be possible to keep such a thing quiet...there's way to many greedy, selfish, sneaky, ambitious, money hungry, back stabbing, etc etc etc cunts in politics for it to stay quiet. I mean ffs, think of the money the person who knew something could aquire?...or bring down the Presidency etc...

I also have doubts re; the existence of Al Qaeda. The spin Doctors would have made this into the biggest possible threat they could have so as to justify the invasion of Iraq etc...I think it were terrorists, but not the organised world wide organisation the Bush Government and it's media propaganda would have us believe.

At last! Someone sensible!

Dr J/fela/bigfish and sparticus take note!

 

[sparticus]

OK I'll raise to the bait

This bit of the voice of reason I question...

Wess "I just don't believe it would be possible to keep such a thing quiet...there's way to many greedy, selfish, sneaky, ambitious, money hungry, back stabbing, etc etc etc cunts in politics for it to stay quiet. I mean ffs, think of the money the person who knew something could aquire?...or bring down the Presidency etc..." Oh really

Wess if you truly know how duplicitious and treacherous successive US and UK administrations (and many other civilised democracies) have been over the past 100 years, yet how successfully this treachery has largely been kept from public consciuosness you would not doubt that such a story as 9/11 could be hidden from most.

As the saying goes you can fool most of the people most of the time and in a democracy that's all you need to do. Sure many of us no longer doubt that a powerful global elite conspire against us, but as long as we are a small minority so what. The game just continues

Here are a few examples of past state sponsorship of domestic terrorism for political ends.

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/previous_terror_attacks.htm

And that is just the start of a very long list

It is precisely because of this endless list of 'previous' by US administrations that makes the official story of 9/11 appear so dodgy to those of us who know that they can and have got away with similar treachery in the past

(PS apologies for making you a cross bunny the other night, editor)

 

[rorymac]

I just don't believe it would be possible to keep such a thing quiet...there's way to many greedy, selfish, sneaky, ambitious, money hungry, back stabbing, etc etc etc cunts in politics for it to stay quiet. I mean ffs, think of the money the person who knew something could aquire?...or bring down the Presidency etc...

Well he wouldn't make a lot of money if he told me for example and it'd be pointless telling you cos you're a tight bollix.
Well you wouldn't believe the poor bloke anyway .. that would make you responsible for World War 3 IMO.
That's fuckin stupid as shite IMO.

 

[bigfish]

rorymac: Word!

Ten thousand people were involved in the Manhattan Project and no one found out, even the United States Congress remained blissfully unaware... until (((((BOOM))))) (((((BOOM)))))

 

[Lock&Light]

Well he wouldn't make a lot of money if he told me for example and it'd be pointless telling you cos you're a tight bollix.
Well you wouldn't believe the poor bloke anyway .. that would make you responsible for World War 3 IMO.
That's fuckin stupid as shite IMO.

Rorymac, do us all a favour, and be 'funny' on less serious threads. What do you think?

 

[rorymac]

You're a simpleton ?

 

[Lock&Light]

You're a simpleton ?

Takes one to know one, I've been told.

 

[rorymac]

Well I just made the Ed's cocoa and sneakily left a kimberley biscuit under his nightcap .. he moans the next day but with a twinkle in his eye .. he's only eaten it by jimini and we both know it LOL !!
Anyway listen you
The Ed has asked that I retire to bed and expresses his wish that you do likewise .. fuckin yes
If the Ed tells me to go to bed I'm fucking gone mister .. I'm well known for it
'Tell Locko to give it a rest Roy for fuck sake .. fuck me I'm knackered with stress' ..
See what you fuckin done Locko
Fuck sake :-/ x

 

[Raisin D'etre]

Sleep tight and dont let the bed bugs bite!

 

[fela fan]

At last! Someone sensible!

Dr J/fela/bigfish and sparticus take note!

The reasons wess gave in that post are all guff, and nowhere near enough to persuade any sensible person.

They were all suppostion, eg 'someone would blow the whistle'. Bollocks would they if their life were to be snuffed out.

And if anyone tried, guess what? They'd be called a... wait for it... a, oh my god, a... fucking... 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST'...

Fucking easy as fuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[editor]

They were all suppostion, eg 'someone would blow the whistle'. Bollocks would they if their life were to be snuffed out..

Yes, that's right.

"They" have got teams of ready and willing murderers stationed all over the globe ready to shut any dissenting voices with a swift garrotting.

Such is their all-encompassing power that they can immediately crush any geocities-hosted freebie website that comes close to "the truth" citing evidence collected from anonymous sources and unspecified 'experts'.

Oh hold on. They haven't got around to that yet.

 

[Jazzz]

Have you forgotten about Dr. David Kelly, editor? Of course they can take out hits. But it's a big deal, a last resort. The day they have to arrange hits on ordinary people is the day they have lost. It's very few of them against very many of us - they rely on controlling us by getting us to control ourselves, not by bumping off those who show signs of waking up.

"your argument must be flawed, else you wouldn't be here to make it" - interesting, but quite specious

 

[editor]

Have you forgotten about Dr. David Kelly, editor?

His family agreed with the verdict of suicide, so have you some amazing, rock-solid, credible evidence that proves that the people closest to him are completely wrong?

Well, have you?

PS Be a bit odd to 'take out someone after they've spent all that time blabbing to the media and going for private interviews, wouldn't you think?

 

[Pickman's model]

how do they know what happened, they weren't there?

unless there's something they aren't telling us...

it's a bit like saying that lord lucan's wife knows what happened to him.

 

[editor]

how do they know what happened, they weren't there?

I suggest they know a fuckload more about the man and his mental state than you or any conspiraloon site.

I also suggest they were privy to more information about the case than any wannabe bedroom detectives too.

If there was any suspicion in their minds that he'd been murdered I'd imagine they'd be at the very front of the queue demanding answers.

 

[Pickman's model]

I suggest they know a fuckload more about the man and his mental state than you or any conspiraloon site.

I also suggest they were privy to more information about the case than any wannabe bedroom detectives too.

if there was sufficient doubt that he was murdered I'd imagine they;d be at the front of the queue demanding answers.

would they?

have any of the kennedy clan demanded answers to the considerable doubts which have been cast on the official version of the death of one president kennedy? there could be all manner of reasons why the kelly family aren't after answers - perhaps they genuinely believe the verdict. but there is, to my mind, reasonable doubt about the received wisdom on the kelly case. for example, the testimony of the ambulance crew.

whilst i admit that the preponderence of circumstantial evidence points towards the conclusion that dr kelly took his own life, there is conflicting evidence pointing the other way.

 

[editor]

would they?

Of course you're right!

The biased ramblings of clueless conjecture-punting conspiraloons simply must over-ride those who were closest to Kelly and those who knew more about the intimate details of the case that you and I (or they) ever will!

If I thought that someone in my family had been murdered and there was some sort of cover up going on, I would leave no stone unturned (and no publicity outlet uninformed) in my relentless quest to find out the truth - regardless of any risk or threats to myself (if any).

Wouldn't you?

PS This isn't an invitation for others to dredge up the specific details of this case all over again as we've had that 'debate' here already.

Many, many, many times.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course you're right!

The biased ramblings of clueless conjecture-punting conspiraloons simply must over-ride those who were closest to Kelly and those who knew more about the intimate details of the case that you and I (or they) ever will!

If I thought that someone in my family had been murdered and there was some sort of cover up going on, I would leave no stone unturned (and no publicity outlet uninformed) in my relentless quest to find out the truth - regardless of any risk or threats to myself (if any).

Wouldn't you?

i'd do the same - but not everyone's like you or me.

 

[Jazzz]

I just don't believe it would be possible to keep such a thing quiet...there's way to many greedy, selfish, sneaky, ambitious, money hungry, back stabbing, etc etc etc cunts in politics for it to stay quiet. I mean ffs, think of the money the person who knew something could aquire?...or bring down the Presidency etc...

One thing should be clear from the Kelly affair, even to you editor, who applauded this post; the life of a big-time whistleblower is hardly a chance to cakewalk down the bank and appear on Richard & Judy. I mean!

 

[editor]

One thing should be clear from the Kelly affair, even to you editor, who applauded this post; the life of a big-time whistleblower is hardly a chance to cakewalk down the bank and appear on Richard & Judy. I mean!

What the fuck has Richard and Judy got to do with anything?


But if you thought the government had murdered someone you loved, would you just whimper away and accept it?

I certainly wouldn't and I couldn't give a flying fuck about the consequences or whether it blew my chances of appearing on a shite TV show.

 

[freke]

re the examples of US/UK duplicity and/or state sponsorship of terrorism ... there's no example of either government sponsoring terrorism against its own citizens. (Alleged state-sponsored extra-legal killings against nationalists in Northern Ireland an exception, but one certainly not analogous to the 9/11 attacks.)

Also, Occam's razor tends to be fairly useful when it comes to conspiracy theories:

"In its simplest form, Occam's Razor states that one should make no more assumptions than needed. When multiple explanations are available for a phenomenon, the simplest version is preferred. A charred tree on the ground could be caused by a landing alien ship or a lightning strike. According to Occam's Razor, the lightning strike is the preferred explanation as it requires the fewest assumptions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

 

[fubert]

re the examples of US/UK duplicity and/or state sponsorship of terrorism ... there's no example of either government sponsoring terrorism against its own citizens.

there's northwoods. never executed, but still planned and formulated.

 

[Jazzz]

I don't think you quite grasped my post, editor; perhaps you didn't read Wess's post properly before you demanded we all take note of it.