A Girl Called Jack... time for action?

[bamalama]

Tbh she just seems to be working about her own experience of having very little money and trying to cope in a situation that many would consider being on the breadline. And if that helps or educates others them good.

I have no doubt there are people who have suffered more, who are in a worse situation, but as with most situations I don't think that negates what she has to say.

Bootstraps,pull em,like we all should/can/have the opportunity to

 

[Frances Lengel]

How on earth do you know it's bullshit though? What about her blog makes you think that? I have read a few entries and many of them could have been written by posters on here having a tough time.

I don't know anything more about this woman than what she has said about herself, but can't see how you'd know it's bullshit?

The way it's worded. And what Ice said earlier.

 

[Frances Lengel]

there are posters on this forum who do blogs and are/have been in that situation tho ... im not saying i have cos i haven't really but other people on here have?

There have. Jack chats shit though.

 

[bamalama]

I don't think I am. I'm agreeing that on an absolute level, there must be people worse off than her, but I now think that this only makes what she's doing potentially even more important. I think the idea that she is/was a poverty tourist needs some justification.

I never used the phrase poverty tourist at all

 

[QueenOfGoths]

Bootstraps,pull em,like we all should/can/have the opportunity to

How the fuck have you extrapolated that from what I said

I did not mean that all all

 

[bamalama]

It's the new big telly.

eta: except that it's deliberately aimed at reducing people's ability to comment, as well as shaming them.

Bang bang bullshit

 

[frogwoman]

The way it's worded. And what Ice said earlier.

people could say that about pretty much anyone on here though, think that it was worded wrong etc .. and to be honest when ive felt really really shit about stuff a bit of writing is often a bit of escapism ... and what about people who write hip hop etc? surely thats still a type of writing?

i see what you're saying and i agree with the things butchers said etc earlier up on the thread but i think you're a bit off target here mate

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Bootstraps,pull em,like we all should/can/have the opportunity to

I'm not sure that's fair. Put yourself in her position. She lives through this and finds herself coping in ways she hadn't previously imagined. She thinks she has something potentially valuable to say to others in that position and blogs about it.

That's not necessarily preaching bootstraps. All blogging involves a certain amount of arrogance - that what you're saying is worth reading. But so what? That applies to all writing really.

 

[bamalama]

How the fuck have you extrapolated that from what I said

I did not mean that all all

i didn't say you said it,it's what she'll be used for and it's probably already happening

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Bang bang bullshit

You should probably go to bed tbh. This is going to be embarrassing in the morning, and you seem generally okay recently, I'd not wish it on you.

 

[QueenOfGoths]

i didin't say you said it,it's what she'll be used for and it's probably already happening

Well why quote my post then if you are not trying to link what I said to your post? I did not mean that at all and I'd rather there was no insinuation that I did, thanks

 

[bamalama]

I'm not sure that's fair. Put yourself in her position. She lives through this and finds herself coping in ways she hadn't previously imagined. She thinks she has something potentially valuable to say to others in that position and blogs about it.

That's not necessarily preaching bootstraps. All blogging involves a certain amount of arrogance - that what you're saying is worth reading. But so what? That applies to all writing really.

Sorry lbj i give up with you you're refusing to respond to anything i've said,and you just keep wittering away about value how great,nice she is as an individual.I'm sure she is...i think that's all irrelevant

 

[frogwoman]

There have. Jack chats shit though.

there are loads of posters on here who do blogs about their experiences. i don't think there's anything wrong with what she's done (although if she starts sucking up to ed miliband etc, doing the whole "if i can do it anyone can" that's a different story, but has she actually done that?)

 

[Thora]

Sorry lbj i give up with you you're refusing to respond to anything i've said,and you just keep wittering away about value how great,nice she is as an individual.I'm sure she is...i think that's all irrelevant

Is your point about how the right wing press have used her blogging/recipes?

 

[bamalama]

Well why quote my post then if you are not trying to link what I said to your post? I did not mean that at all and I'd rather there was no insinuation that I did, thanks

There was no insinuation,i'm sorry you felt there was

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sorry lbj i give up with you you're refusing to respond to anything i've said,and you just keep wittering away about value how great,nice she is as an individual.I'm sure she is...i think that's all irrelevant

I don't think that is reasonable.

Ok: question: Are there circumstances in which you think it would be ok for someone to post a blog about coping with poverty?

I'm not her. My honest blog on such circumstances would involve shoplifting techniques. I would be encouraging people in that position to be looking for ways to do things the system tells them they are not supposed to do.

But that's me. And it has been posting on here, in fact, that has shown me that others in that position wouldn't react to their position like I would.

 

[bamalama]

You should probably go to bed tbh. This is going to be embarrassing in the morning, and you seem generally okay recently, I'd not wish it on you.

Heh

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Heh

Well, look, don't blame me later on.

 

[bamalama]

I don't think that is reasonable.

Ok: question: Are there circumstances in which you think it would be ok for someone to post a blog about coping with poverty?

Thats not my point.For the last time,she can blog what she wants,just like multi millionaire jamie oliver can say what he wants...

 

[bamalama]

Well, look, don't blame me later on.

Deal

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Thats not my point.For the last time,she can blog what she wants,just like multi millionaire jamie oliver can say what he wants...

... and she's no different from multi millionaire Jamie Oliver?

 

[kittyP]

no. I didn't.

Again, yes, you did.

e2a are you referring to my response to Kitty? or failure to respond to your posts?

No I was responding to this post

I

did

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write

"Why does food need to be delicious?"

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When you clearly had here

Why does food need to be 'delicious'? It's basically fuel ffs. and yet if you mention this you invite scorn and ridicule.[/QUOTE

 

[bamalama]

such a firm grasp of our manacles.

You speak for yerself LiamO

 

[weepiper]

She's called jack,has suspiciously expensive and tasteless,hipsteryish tattoo sleeves,she's well dictioned ,has nice big teeth,a nice kitchen with mirrored tiles,and i immediately thought networked media type soon as i saw her ...that's good enough for me

sorry bamalama but fuck this. I've got big tattoos, I paid for them when I've been working. I expect she did too. You know what, you can't actually sell them to feed your kids inbetween jobs. I'm quite nicely spoken, went to university. She lives in a rented flat, the mirror tiles are her landlord's choice not hers. This is falling into the same lazy stereotyping Jamie Oliver's using with the 'big fucking telly' line. it's bullshit.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is falling into the same lazy stereotyping Jamie Oliver's using with the 'big fucking telly' line. it's bullshit.

And from what I've read, she's been calling him on this bullshit. So she's gained access to the mainstream media and is being heard? Well, that's good!

 

[ice-is-forming]

just as an aside. thank fuck JO has started cooking classes here in QLD! fuck knows what we'd do without him! hip hip....

http://www.thegoodfoundation.com.au/ministry-of-food/

 

[littlebabyjesus]

just as an aside. thank fuck JO has started cooking classes here in QLD! fuck knows what we'd do without him! hip hip....

http://www.thegoodfoundation.com.au/ministry-of-food/

He used to advertise for Tesco. Or Sainsbury. One of the two. And no doubt was paid a fortune for doing so. Until he acknowledges that he himself is part of the problem and goes some way towards making amends, he can clearly fuck off.

He's an example of how even genuine good intentions without a political grounding can be worse than useless. How about addressing the way that supermarkets control the supply chain and put this crap food on the shelves in the first place? He's attacking the wrong end of the process.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

JO's book was certainly prominently advertised in Sainsbury's when I popped in there earlier today.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

JO's book was certainly prominently advertised in Sainsbury's when I popped in there earlier today.

So what does he have to say about the way that Sainsbury etc have been cornering the corner shop market recently? And the way that they charge even more in those shops than they do in the big ones? And the way they actively stifle local markets and local supply chains. He's clueless.

 

[frogwoman]

sorry bamalama but fuck this. I've got big tattoos, I paid for them when I've been working. I expect she did too. You know what, you can't actually sell them to feed your kids inbetween jobs. I'm quite nicely spoken, went to university. She lives in a rented flat, the mirror tiles are her landlord's choice not hers. This is falling into the same lazy stereotyping Jamie Oliver's using with the 'big fucking telly' line. it's bullshit.

yep.