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littlebabyjesus said:
So what does he have to say about the way that Sainsbury etc have been cornering the corner shop market recently? And the way that they charge even more in those shops than they do in the big ones? And the way they actively stifle local markets and local supply chains. He's clueless.
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I think he's demonstrated fairly conclusively already that his thesis, such as it is, ignores food (and general economic) deprivation - i.e. not just pricing but also availability. Let alone spare time and life conditions. I used to think this was just naivety but the recent social hate stuff has led me to believe it's more deliberate than that.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I think he's demonstrated fairly conclusively already that his thesis, such as it is, ignores food (and general economic) deprivation - i.e. not just pricing but also availability. Let alone spare time and life conditions. I used to think this was just naivety but the recent social hate stuff has led me to believe it's more deliberate than that.
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There is an air of bootstraps about him.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/aug/30/jamie-oliver-my-family-values


I grew up in a pub in Clavering, Essex. When I was first on telly in The Naked Chef, people thought I was a mockney, that I was posh and had gone to private school. But I went to a comprehensive and my parents, Trevor and Sally, weren't middle class; they were publicans. That's where my estuary accent comes from.
My dad put me to work in the pub as a young kid to earn pocket money, a pound an hour. My parents had a really strong work ethic that they've passed on to me. When I tried to sleep in, my dad would aim the hose at my bedroom window to wake me up at the crack of dawn
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I've had the same attitude IRL. I can't ever have been poor because I've got tattoos. I can't know what it's really like because of the area I live in. The fact that the rent has only been paid and the kids not taken off me because of Housing Benefit for the last 4 years doesn't seem to enter into it. I'm not anywhere near rock bottom but it's not fucking easy either. Am I not allowed to write about poverty because I don't quite qualify for the kids to get free school meals this year?
 
weepiper said:
sorry bamalama but fuck this. I've got big tattoos, I paid for them when I've been working. I expect she did too. You know what, you can't actually sell them to feed your kids inbetween jobs. I'm quite nicely spoken, went to university. She lives in a rented flat, the mirror tiles are her landlord's choice not hers. This is falling into the same lazy stereotyping Jamie Oliver's using with the 'big fucking telly' line. it's bullshit.
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I explained this earlier in the thread...it was a pisstake/joke,that's why i used the face thingy
 
sleaterkinney said:
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That was how Oliver got his first break, I believe.

It's about acknowledging the role of luck in success and 'making it'. You need to be determined, sure (although not even that sometimes), but you also need luck. And those who do make it can easily start telling a story of themselves to themselves that they made it because they were that bit more determined than everyone else. Which is bollocks.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
So what does he have to say about the way that Sainsbury etc have been cornering the corner shop market recently? And the way that they charge even more in those shops than they do in the big ones? And the way they actively stifle local markets and local supply chains. He's clueless.
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Sainsburys are cheaper than normal corner shops - one of the reasons it sickens me when middle class parasites try and oppose the building of local Sainsburys or Tesco
 
When the BBC reported that she would be paid £25,000 for her book deal, the housing benefit office suspended payments until it saw her book contract, nearly causing her to be evicted. She has moved to a cheaper house share to escape the tyranny of housing benefit. "Because I'm in the media quite a lot now, everyone assumes that everything is fine. People forget I sleep on a mattress on the floor with my son in a house I share with five other people. They see me on Sky news and think, 'Oh, you must be loaded.'"
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Spanky Longhorn said:
Sainsburys are cheaper than normal corner shops - one of the reasons it sickens me when middle class parasites try and oppose the building of local Sainsburys or Tesco
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Depends where you live. They're not in many parts of London.

Also depends what you're looking at. Local supermarkets sell a very limited and very expensive range of fresh veg. Again, depends where you live, but in many parts of London there are local shops that sell veg that are much cheaper. Where they are cheaper, they can often survive, admittedly.

With larger supermarkets, they can kill shopping streets by driving the local butcher, baker, etc out of business and having them come and work for the supermarket. Short-term, people may prefer to shop at the supermarket. But I would use fresh meat as the example of what is now happening in supermarkets - they have eliminated the competition and their prices are now really very high. Fresh veg likewise.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Depends where you live. They're not in many parts of London.

Also depends what you're looking at. Local supermarkets sell a very limited and very expensive range of fresh veg. Again, depends where you live, but in many parts of London there are local shops that sell veg that are much cheaper. Where they are cheaper, they can often survive, admittedly.

With larger supermarkets, they can kill shopping streets by driving the local butcher, baker, etc out of business and having them come and work for the supermarket. Short-term, people may prefer to shop at the supermarket. But I would use fresh meat as the example of what is now happening in supermarkets - they have eliminated the competition and their prices are now really very high. Fresh veg likewise.
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You ignorant cunt
 
jamie Oliver thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thataway.

But thanks to Bama and Francisco for shooting the messenger and proving my point.
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
You ignorant cunt
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In town after town, the process has been that the supermarket has opened and the local butchers, bakers etc have ended up going to work for them. Now they are taking over the cornershop angle too. And I take issue with you about pricing. My experience of local Sainsbury/Tesco, etc, is that they are more expensive for the same goods than the larger shops and simply don't stock most of the cheaper alternatives. They only stock the expensive branded stuff, which is more expensive than NISA.

The way I read that - they are seeking to exploit the people unable for whatever reason to reach the larger shops by charging them considerably more for the same items. That's just continuing the process that produces food deserts and food poverty, but in a way that leaves the whole process under the control of a tiny number of businesses, which in turn control every aspect of the supply chain.

Independent corner shops are more expensive partly because they don't have the stock purchasing power. Sainsbury local doesn't have that excuse. They're just charging more because they can.

And once the competition is gone? Well, even in large supermarkets now, fresh meat and veg are really expensive.

If you don't believe me, go and check out your 'local' Sainsbury or Tesco and see how many of their saver ranges they stock. Then ask yourself why they're not there. It's not because everyone who shops there is rich.
 
Thora said:
When she started her blog, she wasn't known to anyone though? So at the point where she was actually living on a tenner a week, she did have to.

Now, due to the success of her blog she has a job and a book deal and probably isn't worrying so much about money.
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according to her blog she lost her 25k a year job in november 2011, worked for a few months in march/april 2012 time, and went self-employed and was having photography exhibitions and pieces published in the national press by november 2012. In august she appeared in the local paper after having had a yard sale selling off all her possessions because she was so poor, at which she raised £3000. She says she was claiming child tax credits,income support, hb etc throughout, but because hb is paid in arrears she got into debt, havent found any mention of food banks, but she might have said that elsewhere. she seems to have been quite prominent in local politics as a labour party activist and featured in the local press regularly (for her age) , won community awards etc, for quite some time before the pov thing

now being skint with a kid is the most frightening thing in the world, and throughout that time she must have had some grim moments, but im a bit sceptical of the tenner a week thing, and her appearance now as a poverty star has been preceded by what looks like quite an ambitious attempt to lay the groundwork for a political career
 
frogwoman said:
people could say that about pretty much anyone on here though, think that it was worded wrong etc .. and to be honest when ive felt really really shit about stuff a bit of writing is often a bit of escapism ... and what about people who write hip hop etc? surely thats still a type of writing?

i see what you're saying and i agree with the things butchers said etc earlier up on the thread but i think you're a bit off target here mate
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Yeah,it is ... I am hip hop, me, New York as fuck, me. Nah only messin but in all honesty what's hip hop got to do with the subject in hand?
 
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