chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Larry O'Hara said:
go fuck yerself ya fat fuckin prick
'9/11 Truth Movement' and Academia
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go fuck yerself ya fat fuckin prick
editor
hiraethified
But tens of thousands of eye witnesses saw the plane with their own eyes while billions watched it happen live on TV.Demosthenes said:
But if you've got a squinty little YouTube clip that shows that they were all suffering a weird fuzzy-felt-in-the-sky mass delusion, then it must all be a massive conspiracy.
Next week: Ron from Birmingham says he's found a YouTube clip showing pigs achieving vertical take off.
"That's proof enough for me, " exclaims Demosthenes.
editor said:
Well, if there were planes, then I'm sure there were tens of thousands of eye witnesses who saw them. Have you got a link to a film of eye-witnesses at the events talking about seeing the planes hit the towers, while the events happened. I didn't find one. I did find one that purported to be a live film of eye-witnesses saying they hadn't seen any planes. And it certainly looked like a film of the events in the area on the day.
It would be good to see such a link. It would certainly settle the matter of whether there were any planes, as far as I'm concerned. And I've always assumed there were planes, and therefore eye-witnesses.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Larry O'Hara said:
OO, handbags! Did you know that all of those questions have a completely logical, non conspiracy answer? Have you ever heard of a thing called Occams razor?
It tossers like you who ask the wrong questions about the wrong people that allow actual bad shit to be gotten away with.
Demosthenes...I'm not going to get into anothe 9/11 row over CD, but tell me this - wiring an empty building for CD takes up to a month of preparation, drilling, 00skms of wiring, and requires exceptional timing and precision to execute.
Now tell me this - how do you go about wiring a building that was 100% occupied, and ensure that the fires that started AFTER the planes crashed into the towers didn't fuck up any of the wiring required for the charges to fire in the correct order to bring the towers down.
Did you not actually see it happen, live on TV? And what tower are you talking about - WTC1&2 or WTC7?
Those would be the ones taken from a side of the building where you couldn't see the planes!!!
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Fela Fan.
You have lied repeatedly on this thread. You are not even consistent in your lies.
I am willing to bet a lot of money that you don't work in academia. You don't even seem to know what academic study actually consists of, or how you gain academic qualifications.
You barely seem to have a grip on reality, lying to people on message boards.
So no, I won't be taking any lectures off you. You are a nasty piece of work, and I am going to put you on ignore before you make any unfounded personal attacks on me instead of engaging with content of my posts.
You have lied repeatedly on this thread. You are not even consistent in your lies.
I am willing to bet a lot of money that you don't work in academia. You don't even seem to know what academic study actually consists of, or how you gain academic qualifications.
You barely seem to have a grip on reality, lying to people on message boards.
So no, I won't be taking any lectures off you. You are a nasty piece of work, and I am going to put you on ignore before you make any unfounded personal attacks on me instead of engaging with content of my posts.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
OMFG. What planet do you live on Demos? Pluto? There are 000s of hours or ATC transcripts, video footage and eyewitness statements that there were planes.
This is like going back 4 years...
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
fela fan said:
I don't think you have. You don't know what a dissertation is, do you?
You don't teach post graduates do you?
You are dishonest. You talk about conspiracies, but the only thing that is fake here is you.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Bob_the_lost said:
Out of curiosity, how does someone do a PG degree without having done a undergrad disertation first. I know in technical subjects you don't always do one, i'm not, but in the wooly subjects i thought it was mandatory.
He will refuse to tell us, because he can't. Not because its not relevant. Because he is a complete and utter bullshitter.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
kyser_soze said:
not to mention ensure that the planes are flown into exactly thee correct area on the correct floor at exactly that very precise SECOND, at a speed of hundreds of miles an hour by relatively inexperienced pilots?
and why would they even do it anyway? why go to all that trouble with the planes? why not just plant a big bomb to blow up the towersd????
Irrespective of the spurious 'evidence' - to me it just beggars belief how anyone can believe such rot!
It simply does not make one iota of sense.
editor
hiraethified
Now shut the fuck up and get back to your forgotten alien comic book stories:Demosthenes said:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=89963&page=1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1540586.stm
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/09/11/witnesses/index.html
kyser_soze said:
No you've misunderstood me, - I'm talking about films from the same viewpoint with planes and without planes, and it seemed to me that the ones without planes seemed more real. (and of course there are also ones where the plane is on the other side of the tower, but in general
they made the whole thing more confusing rather than less)
yes I did see it on the tv on the day, and it seemed real enough then. but the film I saw on the tv seems quite different from most of the videos on youtube with or without planes, and to some extent they verify each other by showing the same events from different angles.
I don't know about controlled demolition. I don't have a theory. And I'm not arguing for one. What I can say, is that the films I've seen on youtube seem more consistent with either missiles hitting the towers, and exploding from the inside, or with explosives planted on the inside, high up in the structure, --Which, if, jet planes were capable of making the towers fall down, ought to have been enough to make the towers fall down, - in particular as missiles or explosives would presumably do more comprehensive damage in all directions.
If it was explosives, then I guess you occupy one floor and wire it. If it was missiles you wouldn't need to.
But it still seems perfectly possible to me that I've been fooled by videos on youtube. But overall, the way in which the planes disappear into the buildings and they appear to explode from the inside, has led me to doubt the existence of the planes.
And as I said before, I do find it odd that I haven't yet managed to find a video that's unfooled me.
Dillinger4 said:
He will refuse to tell us, because he can't. Not because its not relevant. Because he is a complete and utter bullshitter.
Thing is, if The Wriggler had told us a Uni + course most people would've believed him. Because he's wriggled so much and contradicted himself people aren't going to, even if he does.
He's completely and utterly fucked himself...
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Actually fela - You say it isn't relevant - it is. You say you have done this yourself but show no knowledge of how it is actually done, in the real world. I think the onus is on you to tell us where you graduated from and where you teach, otherwise we will just think you are a liar.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. I take back what I have said, If you can tell me. Please.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. I take back what I have said, If you can tell me. Please.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
And you live on what planet again?
Then they aren't from the same viewpoint, simple as. Got any links to these contradictory film clips then?
The planet 'knob' I think.
I'm guessing that the majority of Demosthenes' actual 'experience' of missiles hitting things and exploding comes from Hollywood movies and perhaps Gerry Anderson's Thunderbirds.
Still, I reckon that's relevant experience enough to cast doubt on the whole shebang...
I'm guessing that the majority of Demosthenes' actual 'experience' of missiles hitting things and exploding comes from Hollywood movies and perhaps Gerry Anderson's Thunderbirds.
Still, I reckon that's relevant experience enough to cast doubt on the whole shebang...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Well the only missile that's got enough oomph to cause that much damage is a cruise, and that would have been noticed by people (not to mention the problems of timing a plane crash AND a missle hitting simultaneously)...the only missiles fast enough not to be seen (cruise fly just under mach 1) would be AGM or A-A - and none of those would be powerful enough to blow an entire floor out...
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I still think it was the giant monkey that did it. I remember seeing a film about it once. They don't show that clip on the fucking news anymore, do they? 
kyser_soze said:
Look, obviously, if there's two films that look identical, only one has a plane, and the other doesn't. Then either in one, the plane has been edited out, or in the other, the plane has been added in.
I saw such films yesterday. If you really want me to, and you're going to look at them, I'll go and find them and post links. But, I don't really see any point, because if you want to see it, all you have to do is go to youtube, and watch a dozen different films at random. And, if my eyes haven't deceived me, you'll soon see what I'm talking about, (unless by total fluke, I just happened to only find films that confirmed these bizarre ideas.) But if you don't see what I mean, then you can post some links instead, and if you do find any good debunking films, I'd be pleased to see them.
Btw, If you do go and have a look, I recommend watching them without sound first, - i think it was quite helpful being able to form a judgment without a conspiraloon telling me what I was supposed to be seeing.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Not unless you knew where to look, no. They're about 1.6m long and travel supersonically. You'd see the vapour trail tho.
editor said:
Sorry, I didn't notice them.
What I was after was a film of people discussing how they saw a plane just hit the towers, while the events were in progress, rather than reports of people who are said to have said that they saw them, after the event.
But you may well be right. If loads of people saw them, and they were there, - well then obviously there were planes. I've never denied this. But I'm in a university lab at the moment trying to look at prolog, so don't have sound to watch any clips on the links posted, - so will have to look some other time. But, - writings said to be eye-witness accounts by the BBC don't quite do the job. And put up against film that is apparently during the events of eye-witnesses saying they saw no plane, it's rather less convincing.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Demosthenes said:
jesus wept
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
What Post Grad degree doesn't require a degree in the first place?fela fan said:
It's got to be a woolly subject, you'd never get that in engineering. Suppose you could in some situations for computing / accountancy etc. but it'd be incredibly rare. Even so it's a massive leap to go from a good first degree to none at all, you're missing out "mediocre degree" "poor degree" and "a degree" entirely.
editor said:
I don't understand you, (a) I said I can't look at them properly now,- and (b) I said I was after eye-witness testimony.
Written words on a commercial news website on the internet are not eye-witness testimony, unless you know who wrote them. And obviously neither you nor I do know the people who wrote them, or we wouldn't be arguing about it. They may be eye-witness testimony, - but, we can only assume that.
And i've never claimed to base very much on what I've seen in a comic book.
Why don't you have a look at what I actually posted about the comic book again, and tell me which part you disagree with? i've never said that it's relevant to understanding what happened on 9.11, I mentioned it as a coincidental curiosity, - one of many in my life, - because you asked me to.
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