'9/11 Truth Movement' and Academia

[Larry O'Hara]

Hey Larry!

Isn't it fucking annoying when attempts at evidence-based research and efforts to ask serious questions gets branded 'conspiraloonacy' by those who have neither the wit nor inclination to do either?

Indeed: which is why I oppose the 9/11 cult. It allows buffoons like those slagging me off on this thread to avoid answering serious questions, and to try, by force of pack mentality, to drown out those of us who do. Not everybody is fooled (as Rich's comments on this thread show), but many are. I dislike the cult precisely because it allows genuine malfeasants off the hook.

Even without a baying pack calling you names, it never was easy sorting out the fact from the fiction.

Couldn't agree more--it is this inability that distinguishes 'YouTube Historians' from the real thing

Your website sucks, by the way.

As you are evidently a 9/11 cultist, I take that as a compliment.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Who, in your opinion, are the 'genuine malfeasants', then? Which particular 'hook' are they being 'let off'?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Who, in your opinion, are the 'genuine malfeasants', then? Which particular 'hook' are they being 'let off'?

I mean it as a term in general, not 9/11 in particular--history did not start, or end, that day. Refusal to recognise this is one of many problerms with the 9/11 cult.

 

[fela fan]

It tossers like you who ask the wrong questions about the wrong people that allow actual bad shit to be gotten away with.

Yes indeed, people like larry are responsible for the crimes of blair and bush. They have the temerity to ask questions compared to many of their detractors who have already closed their minds, and keep them closed with their puerile conspiraloon lexicon. Yet meanwhile the british and american publics reelect their criminal leaders, but you just blame anybody who doubts the official 911 version for their crimes, why don't you.

 

[editor]

Yes indeed, people like larry are responsible for the crimes of blair and bush. They have the temerity to ask questions compared to many of their detractors who have already closed their minds, and keep them closed with their puerile conspiraloon lexicon. Yet meanwhile the british and american publics reelect their criminal leaders, but you just blame anybody who doubts the official 911 version for their crimes, why don't you.

100% bonkers!

 

[jbob]

What Post Grad degree doesn't require a degree in the first place?

It's got to be a woolly subject, you'd never get that in engineering. Suppose you could in some situations for computing / accountancy etc. but it'd be incredibly rare. Even so it's a massive leap to go from a good first degree to none at all, you're missing out "mediocre degree" "poor degree" and "a degree" entirely.

Arts/Performing Arts/Humanities/Languages/Linguistics/Business departments, in most HE institutions, will accept people onto Masters courses dependent upon the person's relevant experience. There's a lot of subjects housed under those departments, and they're not 'woolly' subjects at all (well, Business excepted).

Postgraduate study is undertaken entirely at the discretion of the institution concerned. If you can convince them you've got what it takes and you've got the money, there's a chance you'll get in. The likelyhood is quite high these days as they need the cash.

 

[fela fan]

Actually fela - You say it isn't relevant - it is. You say you have done this yourself but show no knowledge of how it is actually done, in the real world. I think the onus is on you to tell us where you graduated from and where you teach, otherwise we will just think you are a liar.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. I take back what I have said, If you can tell me. Please.

Hey kiddo, just put me on ignore and be done with it. I don't need any of your benefits, just that you put me on ignore. That is benefit enough. Now piss off kid.

 

[fela fan]

What Post Grad degree doesn't require a degree in the first place?

It's got to be a woolly subject, you'd never get that in engineering. Suppose you could in some situations for computing / accountancy etc. but it'd be incredibly rare. Even so it's a massive leap to go from a good first degree to none at all, you're missing out "mediocre degree" "poor degree" and "a degree" entirely.

Perhaps they saw other compelling evdience that they'd like me on their program...

and the degree was nothing to do with sheep.

 

[fela fan]

Nor do I base much on youtube videos of unknown origins, whose quality is poor.

All I have said, is what I've said again and again, - though you refuse to take me literally.

I went and looked at a bunch of videos on youtube, for the first time ever, yesterday, - and honestly, they do create the overwhelming impression that the official version is a big con, - and lead me to suspect the possibility that there were no planes at all.

There are a lot of different possible explanations for why that is, one of which is that there's a conspiracy/emergency of conspiraloons posting fake videos on youtube. This sounds quite plausible, - but it makes me wonder, - why do they bother?

But, I don't know, have you watched any videos on youtube at all?

Do you think, as I've generally done, that a plane hit the second tower and that was why it fell down?

Do you have any idea why a "debunking" video would say that no plane hit the second tower?

If you haven't watched any videos on youtube at all, then you're not really in any position to comment on my reactions to the videos I've watched on youtube. Watch some yourself, and then comment.

Demo, you're being castigated on this thread for your open mind. Editor will not accept anything that does not already fit his preconceived idea of what happened that day. His mind is closed, as is anyone's who indulges in the ridiculous lexicon of conspiracy theory.

 

[editor]

Perhaps they saw other compelling evdience that they'd like me on their program...

and the degree was nothing to do with sheep.

Ah, so you're still talking about your degree! So what was the course then?

I've done a dissertation, btw.

 

[fela fan]

Are they experts in the relevent scientific fields with appropriate academic qualifications then?

Because if they are, BELIEVE THEM, THEY ARE EXPERTS AND YOU MUST BELIEVE. THEY CANNOT GET IT WRONG. THEY HAVE NO AGENDA.

If not, then how dare you use their ideas to support the possibility of an inside job? How dare you retain an open mind?

 

[editor]

Demo, you're being castigated on this thread for your open mind. Editor will not accept anything that does not already fit his preconceived idea of what happened that day. His mind is closed, as is anyone's who indulges in the ridiculous lexicon of conspiracy theory.

You're defending someone who thinks 'they' planted a reference to the 9/11 conspiracy in an alien comic book in a Hackney public library and that the only evidence worth considering is shaky bollocks posted up by by Willy Whodafuck on YouTube. Priceless!

And this led me to believe that either some aliens comic book writer, just by coincidence happened to imagine a plot where the world trade centre got destroyed by terrorists in 2001, - as the background conquest to a comic where killer aliens take over the world, - or else, some freak had the power of foresight and foresaw that this would happen, and planted the message in a comic book, - or else that some branch of the emergency/conspiracy of conspiraloons, endlessly dedicated to trying to bewilder people like me into thinking that there's something odd about 911, manufactured the book after the event with a fake publication date and planted it in hackney library to confuse people.

Triple LOL on a stick!

 

[fela fan]

Please don't stick me in the tin-foil-hat pen, but I found some elements of quite interesting.

It'll be too late. An open mind on this topic means to a few feverish posters on this website that you are wearing said tin foil hat.

At least you're not wearing a solid lead hat that allows absolutely nothing to penetrate inside...

 

[fela fan]

Ah, so you're still talking about your degree! So what was the course then?

I've done a dissertation, btw.

Fucking well done editor. Why did you tell me that, to boast?

The degree was in psychological manipulation of closed minds, majoring in marketing with a special project on advertising...

 

[fela fan]

You're defending someone who thinks 'they' planted a reference to the 9/11 conspiracy in an alien comic book in a Hackney public library and that the only evidence worth considering is shaky bollocks posted up by by Willy Whodafuck on YouTube. Priceless!
Triple LOL on a stick!

I'm not 'defending' anyone. That only happens in packs of dogs. I'm giving support to anybody who has an open mind on this topic.

Simultaneously i try to expose closed minds, such as yours.

 

[editor]

I'm not 'defending' anyone. That only happens in packs of dogs.

That doesn't even come close to making sense.

 

[Dillinger4]

Fucking well done editor. Why did you tell me that, to boast?

The degree was in psychological manipulation of closed minds, majoring in marketing with a special project on advertising...

lulz.

That is so made up, isn't it.

Its like me saying I graduated in LOL studies majoring in ROFLing at made up bullshit.



Tell us more though. What institution did you graduate from as an undergraduate, before you moved onto postgraduate?

Which institution to you now teach at?

 

[Dillinger4]

I'm not 'defending' anyone. That only happens in packs of dogs. I'm giving support to anybody who has an open mind on this topic.

Simultaneously i try to expose closed minds, such as yours.

LOL.

There is an academic method. A Method is something used because it is tried and tested in establishing facts and testing theories and so on and so forth. Things outside said method, such as youtube, do not count, because they have not been peer reviewed etc etc etc. Its not about 'closed minds'.

The only closed mind you are exposing is your own Fela. I know you are on some grand mission to expose the truth. But you are welcome to your truth to be honest, because whatever world you live in is utter fantasy.

 

[Dillinger4]

It'll be too late. An open mind on this topic means to a few feverish posters on this website that you are wearing said tin foil hat.

At least you're not wearing a solid lead hat that allows absolutely nothing to penetrate inside...

You know whats better than having an open mind, is having a skeptical and open mind.

You are quite clearly accepting one set 'truths' told you by one group of people and explicitly rejecting the other set of 'truths'. Doesn't lead for a very 'open mind', really.

 

[jonH]

The point no one is willing to address is that the U.S. Government were well in with the Bin Ladens both in America and Afghanistan. The U.S. could easily have set the whole thing up. The Bin Laden family leaving before the attrocities would have set off alarm bells and suggested they had prior knowledge, so they were allowed, somewhat unbelievably, to leave immediately afterwards. They were treated like very special friends. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4014-2004Jul21.html

 

[Dillinger4]

Hey kiddo, just put me on ignore and be done with it. I don't need any of your benefits, just that you put me on ignore. That is benefit enough. Now piss off kid.

Could you turn down your patronization please? It doesn't do you any favors.



It is funny though, to be patronized by somebody pretending to have academic qualifications so he can impress some strangers on a message board.

I am not going to put you on ignore Fela. Your lies and insanity make me laugh too much.

 

[Dillinger4]

You know what else is funny Fela.

I have not once on this thread questioned any part of anybodies 9/11 theories. They don't interest me very much, and I am sceptical of anybody who claims to hold any kind of truth on it, one way or another.

Yet you have already assigned me a 'side' and assigned me 'views' that are diametrically opposed to yours.

You have a bit of a 'You are either with us or against us' mentality. I personally have no idea why you have picked such an argument with me and called me some of the things you have. Personally I find it pretty petty.

All I did in the first place was question somebodies research methods, and you have reacted a lot worse than the person in my class. But now I am your mortal enemy.

It confuses me.



You probably won't read this anyway.

*sigh*

 

[jæd]

You know what else is funny Fela.

I have not once on this thread questioned any part of anybodies 9/11 theories. They don't interest me very much, and I am sceptical of anybody who claims to hold any kind of truth on it, one way or another.

Yet you have already assigned me a 'side' and assigned me 'views' that are diametrically opposed to yours.

You have a bit of a 'You are either with us or against us' mentality. I personally have no idea why you have picked such an argument with me and called me some of the things you have. Personally I find it pretty petty.

All I did in the first place was question somebodies research methods, and you have reacted a lot worse than the person in my class. But now I am your mortal enemy.

It confuses me.



You probably won't read this anyway.

*sigh*

Well... If you assume Fela lives in Basingstoke and wanks over his Ladyboy posters of Thailand in his mum's basement every night, it makes glaring sense...!

 

[jæd]

Fucking well done editor. Why did you tell me that, to boast?

The degree was in psychological manipulation of closed minds, majoring in marketing with a special project on advertising...

Now if Fela had said it was "Media Studies" at Trent Uni no-one would've noticed. Idiot...!

You could make this up, but it would never be believed. (Until now)

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Arts/Performing Arts/Humanities/Languages/Linguistics/Business departments, in most HE institutions, will accept people onto Masters courses dependent upon the person's relevant experience. There's a lot of subjects housed under those departments, and they're not 'woolly' subjects at all (well, Business excepted).

Postgraduate study is undertaken entirely at the discretion of the institution concerned. If you can convince them you've got what it takes and you've got the money, there's a chance you'll get in. The likelyhood is quite high these days as they need the cash.

If it doesn't require A level maths then it's woolly. [/snobbery]

 

[editor]

The point no one is willing to address is that the U.S. Government were well in with the Bin Ladens both in America and Afghanistan. The U.S. could easily have set the whole thing up.

Assuming that all the people playing a part in this plot most dastardly would be quite happy to see thousands of their own people slaughtered, a great chunk of New York demolished, American humiliated on the world stage and then be able to utter ne'er a peep in the years to come.

 

[kyser_soze]

That is almost, but not quite, funny. Being called a tosser by somebody in advertising??

Please try and keep up, I haven't worked in advertising for over 3 years now...

Fucking well done editor. Why did you tell me that, to boast?

The degree was in talking pseudo-Buddhist bollocks, self-contradiction, majoring in and mirrors and filters...

 

[jonH]

Assuming that all the people playing a part in this plot most dastardly would be quite happy to see thousands of their own people slaughtered, a great chunk of New York demolished, American humiliated on the world stage and then be able to utter ne'er a peep in the years to come.

I don't know how the controllers of terrorist operations work, but I assume very few people would have need to know, that is, at the Al Quaida leadership and up level. As for the horrible death of American Citizens and destruction of property I doubt anyone outside the Rand Corporation would ever thinks of such things, it was truly nightmarish.

 

[editor]

I don't know how the controllers of terrorist operations work, but I assume very few people would have need to know, that is, at the Al Quaida leadership and up level.

So everyone else simply wouldn't notice the strange decisions being made, the secretive conduct and the shifty excuses?

 

[kyser_soze]

As for the horrible death of American Citizens and destruction of property I doubt anyone outside the Rand Corporation would ever thinks of such things, it was truly nightmarish.

Well Tom Clancey first thought of it in about 1995 when he wrote a book about a Japanese guy who hijacks a 747 and flies it into a building, so there's one. Governments and lots of big multinats (esp the oil industry who are used to thinking on 20-40 years timescales) also utilise a variety of experts in disaster planning - one of the genuinely good things Blair did was set up the COBRA disaster planning group, whose (insanely cool and I'd love to do it) job is to sit around, come up with disaster scenarios and play them out to see how best to plan emergency services deployment, what to tell the public and when etc etc.

Scenario planning is one of the more credible branches of the catch all 'futurology' cos while you can't plan for when something will happen, you can go some way to planning what to do when say and oil refinery blows up.