'9/11 Truth Movement' and Academia

[Dillinger4]

Now, politics you say. That is your degree? What did anyone ever 'prove' in politics??

Anyhow, based on your anger and aggressiveness, and 'you must be wrong' and 'i demand answers' (to irrelevant questions), YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT DEGREE MAN.

Again, you show little comprehension of what is actually studied.

 

[Dillinger4]

youtube and wikipedia are not academic sources. anyone can write anything.

i have a few mates that get not just a little bit but ALL their info from wikipedia and it pisses me off a wee bit even though they're my mate because they go on about how shit they find their course but they're not even attempting to engage with the subject matter

anyway ... carry on ...

I agree.

 

[editor]

What does it matter?

You're claiming that your job experience qualifies your comments here, so it's entirely reasonable to enquire as to their relevance.

If you intend to wriggle out of this simple and pertinent question, just say so now.

 

[Dillinger4]

fela, have you ever written a dissertation?

Yes i have, at post-graduate level only.

And i did not claim to have done any dissertation. I just noted in answer to you that i had done so. You might also like to know that i assign and mark post-graduate papers too. I think i know a wee bit about this.

Have you or haven't you?

Which university do you work for then?

You claim to know 'a wee bit about this', but you are not displaying what you know apart from personal attacks on me, and the language I use such as 'frowned upon', and attacking my subject in general, without knowing an iota of what is actually studied.

You cannot use wikipedia or youtube as a source. For anything, in any subject, about any subject.

But you fela, you have already made up your mind.

 

[fela fan]

Because I now have the impression that you are a liar. You have no comprehension of how Academic study works.

Now you can only focus on the trivialities in my posts, because you cant actually understand what I have said. You can't see the bigger picture, never mind create an argument for it.

Stick with the impression, by all means.

My whole work context is right bang in the middle of academia. And one of the fundamental things to grasp about the privilege and luck of being involved with universities is to not reject other viewpoints, but rather to tease them out, try to get an understanding of what others think and say, and why they think this way.

Right from the beginning it seems you reacted negatively to the dissertation topic. That is fine as an internal reaction, but if you want to tackle it the academic way, then withhold judgment. Listen/read before react.

Dillinger, i'm actually on your thread for another, more positive reason. I thought i might give it a go in offering you a more, academic, means to dealing with this issue of yours.

I don't need to see the bigger picture either, i'm in it, and know well its machinations.

 

[jæd]

Stick with the impression, by all means.

My whole work context is right bang in the middle of academia. And one of the fundamental things to grasp about the privilege and luck of being involved with universities is to not reject other viewpoints, but rather to tease them out, try to get an understanding of what others think and say, and why they think this way.

Right from the beginning it seems you reacted negatively to the dissertation topic. That is fine as an internal reaction, but if you want to tackle it the academic way, then withhold judgment. Listen/read before react.

Dillinger, i'm actually on your thread for another, more positive reason. I thought i might give it a go in offering you a more, academic, means to dealing with this issue of yours.

I don't need to see the bigger picture either, i'm in it, and know well its machinations.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle...!

 

[kyser_soze]

Originally Posted by fela fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by kyser_soze
fela, have you ever written a dissertation?

Yes i have, at post-graduate level only.



Quote:
Originally Posted by fela fan
And i did not claim to have done any dissertation. I just noted in answer to you that i had done so. You might also like to know that i assign and mark post-graduate papers too. I think i know a wee bit about this.

Oh dearie me...on the same thread as well...what's the excuse this time fela...different day of the week when you posted these?

 

[fela fan]

But you fela, you have already made up your mind.

It's up to you mate, but really, no, i have not done this. I'm actually posting up some kind of opposite. That you have missed this is no big deal.

It is your mind that i thought could be opened a wee bit. Mine is wide open as a condition both of my job and my duty to life.

Why don't you slow down, get a sense of proportion, and withhold your judgments until you read what he produces? Then in the appropriate forum you can rip him to shreds...

 

[fela fan]

Oh dearie me...on the same thread as well...what's the excuse this time fela...different day of the week when you posted these?

What are you on about now kyser? I have an idea, but could you explain what you are trying to say before i reply?

 

[fela fan]

Have you or haven't you?

Which university do you work for then?

You claim to know 'a wee bit about this', but you are not displaying what you know apart from personal attacks on me, and the language I use such as 'frowned upon', and attacking my subject in general, without knowing an iota of what is actually studied.

You cannot use wikipedia or youtube as a source. For anything, in any subject, about any subject.

But you fela, you have already made up your mind.

If you can give me a plausible reason why it matters that you know the university i work for, then i shall tell you.

They're not personal attacks, they are a combination of what you yourself has said (you got angry, aggessive) and an objective look at what you're communicating on this thread.

I'm actually, believe it or not, hoping that the outcome of this thread is a better situation for dillinger than when it was started. I'll leave you to conjecture why this is, or whether you even believe me.

 

[fela fan]

You're claiming that your job experience qualifies your comments here, so it's entirely reasonable to enquire as to their relevance.

If you intend to wriggle out of this simple and pertinent question, just say so now.

your way of words editor, i do like them, and i swear this project of yours (the posting part of it anyway) is a sport in your eyes.

No, it's not up to me to answer such a personal question. It's my choice what to do. But in fact it was a necessary response to a specific post by kyser, not any proactive comment by me. It really matters not which institution i work for, it is simply a question posed by you with the side-meaning behind it being you don't believe me.

And that's fine, take that view if you want, or not.

So, either i'm lying, or i'm not. But do not expect me to provide you with your beloved proof. Just make your decision man.

 

[kyser_soze]

What are you on about now kyser? I have an idea, but could you explain what you are trying to say before i reply?

Well, you saying 'I've done a dissertation and then saying no I haven't but I have on the same thread...on the same post in fact...

 

[editor]

No, it's not up to me to answer such a personal question.

Then why bring it up and boast about it?

 

[chico enrico]

I just wonder where how he will research something which, by definition, cannot be proven. There are fundemental problems in this.

er, but it CAN be proven: Proven to be total and utter conspiraloonery BULLSHIT.

 

[chico enrico]

perhaps you might direct your neurally-challenged friend to check this site out: www.911cultwatch.org.uk . He won't like it though....

Hmmm... i started reading this and then noticed it was by folk from 'notes from the borderland'. I could be mistaken but i seem to recall picking up a copy of that mag at an @ bookfair and seeing it had an article which -correct me if im wrong anyone - said that the Old Bill knew about David Copeland after the first bombing but for some obscure reason i cannot recall 'allowed' him to continue his nailbombing campaign....

 

[Bob_the_lost]

What are you on about now kyser? I have an idea, but could you explain what you are trying to say before i reply?

He's saying you're about as trust worthy as a badly spelt email offering a share of "91 MILLION DOLLORS US!!!"!".

Christ on a cross, if you didn't exist somoene would have to invent you to perpetuate the stereotype.

 

[tarannau]

Well, you saying 'I've done a dissertation and then saying no I haven't but I have on the same thread...on the same post in fact...

Oh dearie me...on the same thread as well...what's the excuse this time fela...different day of the week when you posted these?

That's because a Fela's got a tendency to inflate his achievements when blowing his own trumpet. I think he claimed to be a linguistic expert when teaching English to foreign students before. I suspect if he was collecting bins he'd claim to a 'global recycling expert' or similar.

Let's put it this way, I've a masters in English myself and have some experience of postgrad tutoring. The prospect of a ludicrous, airy-fairy numbnut like Fela having a decent position in anything other than a toytown institution doesn't half make me chuckle. G'wan an entertain us with your shallow, half-baked filtters theory again Fela.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Hmmm... i started reading this and then noticed it was by folk from 'notes from the borderland'. I could be mistaken but i seem to recall picking up a copy of that mag at an @ bookfair and seeing it had an article which -correct me if im wrong anyone - said that the Old Bill knew about David Copeland after the first bombing but for some obscure reason i cannot recall 'allowed' him to continue his nailbombing campaign....

Oh now you've gone and done it

 

[chico enrico]

No, not necessarily. Depends for a start on the degree being taken; it's not clear to me what that degree is.

Why do you say such a topic is academically poor? On what basis can you declare this so? I thought being in the academic community let you explore any which thing you wanted, so long as you used certain guidelines in the writing of it.

Are you asking dillinger to ask the tutor to censor his classmate? Who is it that gets to control the agenda? To control what topic can or cannot be talked about?

yes, why not let him do a dissertation on why the earth is really flat?

 

[chico enrico]

Oh now you've gone and done it

errr...is there something i should know about?

 

[fela fan]

Well, you saying 'I've done a dissertation and then saying no I haven't but I have on the same thread...on the same post in fact...

No, i did not say that, that is your interpretation, wrongly. Try reading it again:

"And i did not claim to have done any dissertation. I just noted in answer to you that i had done so."

I did not agree with your use of the term 'claim', so i refuted it and said that instead i had simply said that i had done one.

Would you like the disputed word in italics next time? Perhaps that might have helped.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

errr...is there something i should know about?

Larry belives exactly that, it's like this thread is going to end up being a compendium of conspiracy theories. I'd like to put money on the next one being David Kelly and then the moon landings afterwards.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

No, i did not say that, that is your interpretation, wrongly. Try reading it again:

"And i did not claim to have done any dissertation. I just noted in answer to you that i had done so."

I did not agree with your use of the term 'claim', so i refuted it and said that instead i had simply said that i had done one.

Would you like the disputed word in italics next time? Perhaps that might have helped.

You lying sack of shite.

fela, have you ever written a dissertation?

Yes i have, at post-graduate level only. Hence one or two questions i've been posing dillinger.

 

[fela fan]

Then why bring it up and boast about it?

Ah, another reflection on your values in life.

 

[kyser_soze]

No, i did not say that, that is your interpretation, wrongly. Try reading it again:

"And i did not claim to have done any dissertation. I just noted in answer to you that i had done so."

I did not agree with your use of the term 'claim', so i refuted it and said that instead i had simply said that i had done one.

Would you like the disputed word in italics next time? Perhaps that might have helped.

Fela, you made a clearly contradictory statement in a single sentence - you said 'Yes I have done a dissertation' in response to my question, then say 'I've never claimed to have done one, but I have done so'

Even by your standards this is funny.

Incidentally - given your responses to how a dissertation should be written on this thread, I'd say that you are indeed 'claiming' to have written something, and that's it's a claim that is baseless in fact. Getting a post-grad certificate off the net from some bloke in Nebraska is not the same as studying for it...

 

[editor]

Ah, another reflection on your values in life.

How's that exactly?

Anyway. About this dissertation. Have you done one or not?

 

[fela fan]

You lying sack of shite.

Hey bob, how's it going?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Hey bob, how's it going?

Not bad, you?

 

[fela fan]

How's that exactly?

Anyway. About this dissertation. Have you done one or not?

The very fact that you considered that i'd posted it up to boast about it shows that this is the very sort of behaviour you are inclined to. Otherwise, how to judge? How to even think that i might be trying to boast?

Anyway, about this dissertation. Yes, i've done one, but i've already said that. Now i've repeated it. Anything else i can do you for editor?

 

[fela fan]

Not bad, you?

You lying sack of shite.