9/11 media happenings

[Yossarian]

Worldwide pressure from actual governments hasn’t made much difference to American foreign policy, it’s ludicrous to expect some ragtag little groups of Internet-based ‘911/Truth’ groups to force anything other than chuckles.

 

[Yossarian]

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[Jazzz]

Worldwide pressure from actual governments hasn’t made much difference to American foreign policy, it’s ludicrous to expect some ragtag little groups of Internet-based ‘911/Truth’ groups to force anything other than chuckles.

Well we'll see won't we.

 

[Yossarian]

You could sell a million T-shirts and organise an 'event' every night for ten years and it wouldn't make any difference to anything. Why not get a less futile hobby?

 

[Jazzz]

You could sell a million T-shirts and organise an 'event' every night for ten years and it wouldn't make any difference to anything. Why not get a less futile hobby?

I don't think you really believe that political campaigning is necessarily a futile activity Yossarian. I suspect you are making out 9/11 Campaigning is because you essentially accept the official story. If you didn't, and if moreover if you thought a phoney war against terror was designed to facilitate an Orwellian New World Order you'd be pretty anxious to do your bit to prevent it.

 

[fela fan]

I definitely read the bit where you said that you had nothing to add and were leaving the thread. Shall I reproduce it here for you?

Yes please. I'd like you to somehow show me that "I am leaving the thread", and that my comment about nothing to add was conditional. And then as it happens, i came back and found out that i did have a meaningful contribution to make.

But either way, it's not important, changing one's mind means reflecting and reacting to situations that one does not foresee. It is a strength in my book. You never change your mind do you editor?

 

[fela fan]

You could sell a million T-shirts and organise an 'event' every night for ten years and it wouldn't make any difference to anything.

You believe that do you? I'd be astounded if you did.

 

[fela fan]

Worldwide pressure from actual governments hasn’t made much difference to American foreign policy, it’s ludicrous to expect some ragtag little groups of Internet-based ‘911/Truth’ groups to force anything other than chuckles.

No, the greatest pressure that is brought to bear on USG foreign policy is american public opinion.

How that is shaped is the key to USG action. If enough opinion starts demanding answers to the events of 911, even if a call for accountablity for all the staggering incompetence that apparantly occurred that day, and prior to it, then the pressure will have to be dealt with.

And i have no doubt that the internet has a big part to play in shaping 21st century public opinion.

 

[Yossarian]

Far, far, more people protested the invasion of Iraq than are showing any interest whatsoever in any of this 9/11 conspiranoid stuff - and they had absolutely no effect whatsover on US policy in Iraq.

I don’t think there’s any more chance of the activities of the ‘9/11Truth’ lot leading to an investigation that takes their concerns seriously than there is of this year’s Glastonbury festivalgoers spontaneously deciding to build a lifesize model of the towers out of king-size Rizlas.

 

[Jazzz]

Far, far, more people protested the invasion of Iraq than are showing any interest whatsoever in any of this 9/11 conspiranoid stuff - and they had absolutely no effect whatsover on US policy in Iraq.

Did you not go on the march Yossarian?

 

[Yossarian]

Sure, and I was in front of Parliament the night the Iraq war broke out. Now since over a million people protesting in the streets didn’t even make an impact on UK policy, let alone the US, what on earth makes anybody think a bunch of weirdos typing away on the internet with their silly theories about 9/11 are going to make the US establishment roll over?

 

[fela fan]

Far, far, more people protested the invasion of Iraq than are showing any interest whatsoever in any of this 9/11 conspiranoid stuff - and they had absolutely no effect whatsover on US policy in Iraq.

I assume you're talking about the UK here. I wasn't.

I would suggest the USG are more susceptible to american public opinion than is the case in the UK. And they will measure it from a greater variety of sources and more seriously. Certainly not just on the basis of marches.

 

[MikeMcc]

But this is nuts. Yes NORAD have made certain statements attempting to excuse their failures (not under oath, of course) but they beggar belief.

Any aircraft flying off course or hijacked represents an aerial threat and that is defined as NORAD's responsibility to monitor and deal with. And questions from the families about why they failed to must be properly answered under oath. It is inconceivable that they can track incoming ICBMs but not 767s.

The idea that they were caught off-guard by a novel method of attack is easily disproved. kamikaze attacks were used by the Japanese against the US in WWII. Since then,





Pentagon Research



9/11 Timeline

Links contain plenty more examples. NORAD had responsibility to deal with any aerial threat, and the aerial threat posed by hijacked aircraft was well known.

That it was considered a theoretical possibility does not necessarily translate into making it NORAD policy at the time to identify the hijack of internal flights or to be able to track them directly using their own assets. If you're going to go down that line you could look at a number of fictional plots that have used the same idea, primarily Clancy's Debt of Honor which was published in 1994 and features a JAL 747 crashed into the Capitol Building.

If they considered themselves responsible for it why would they still be relying on the FAA to inform them that there was a hijack? Because they didn't have the hardware. AFAIK the STILL don't have the hardware, though they do have more ready aircraft able to respond to events.

The main protection against using internal flights in this way is security on the ground, in the US this was amazing lax, it still is. You can get on an internal flight with a US drivers license.

Your point about kamikaze pilots is disingenious, it was a different culture at a different time against different targets.

 

[Blagsta]

I don't think you really believe that political campaigning is necessarily a futile activity Yossarian. I suspect you are making out 9/11 Campaigning is because you essentially accept the official story. If you didn't, and if moreover if you thought a phoney war against terror was designed to facilitate an Orwellian New World Order you'd be pretty anxious to do your bit to prevent it.

Jazzz, what you're doing is not political campaigning.

 

[Blagsta]

Did you not go on the march Yossarian?

What a big success that was.

 

[editor]

I don't think you really believe that political campaigning is necessarily a futile activity Yossarian. I

You're not indulging in "political campaigning"

You're promoting a weird religious like belief in the impossible, borne out of your own paranoid insecurities and a need to feel special.

 

[editor]

I'm not doing this just for the families. I think there are wider implications to 9/11 which go far beyond just the deaths that occurred that day. However, I am on their side in pressing for a new and fully independent investigation into 9/11 to provide them and the rest of us with answers as to what happened that day.

Have you written to the families to say you believe that some were selected to be murdered and that some may have been in on it? Or that their loved ones may have been taken off the planes and slaughtered by their own countrymen?

No, of course not. You're too disingenuous for that.

 

[editor]

Any time you want a credible source, ask me.

Great! Could you back your claim about the WTC buildings being unusually empty on 9/11 with a credible source please? I asked some time ago but you seemed to have run away:

And one must remember that there were many many less people in work that day than normal.

 

[editor]

Yes please. I'd like you to somehow show me that "I am leaving the thread", and that my comment about nothing to add was conditional.

God, you're stupid. This is like shooting fish in a barrel!

And yes, i'd say 55 pages constitutes a 'methodical' working over of things.

Anyway, i'd better bow out as quickly as i came in. Nothing new to add for me...
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=5616877&postcount=1362

Pwned! In a mirror!

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

However, I am on their side in pressing for a new and fully independent investigation into 9/11 to provide them and the rest of us with answers as to what happened that day.

You want nothing of the sort.

You, and every other CT nutjob out there will only be satisfied with an investigation that agrees with your pre-determined conclusions. Anything else will be dismissed as flawed or part of the greater conspiracy.

Utterly pathetic.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

The vast majority of their questions were unanswered and they were hopping mad about it.

Wrong, the vast majority of the questions you've provided from those fruitloops show that they have no idea what happened on the day.

I'm not doing this just for the families.

Never thought you were.

 

[editor]

I think the time to put an end to this quasi-religious, "I belieeeeeve" 9/11 bollocks is nigh.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I think the time to put an end to this quasi-religious, "I belieeeeeve" 9/11 bollocks is nigh.

A shame, coz this has been one of the best 9/11 threads we've had on here...

 

[editor]

A shame, coz this has been one of the best 9/11 threads we've had on here...

Sure, but after all the research, the analysis and critiques we've just gone full circle with Jazzz ignoring all the evidence, refusing to elaborate on his wild claims and just repeating his quasi-religious belief in what he believes 'really happened.'

There's really nowhere to go after that, is there?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

There's really nowhere to go after that, is there?

Maybe not.

I think it should be archived, and renamed - "pwning, a step by step guide"

 

[editor]

I think it should be archived, and renamed - "pwning, a step by step guide"

Oh, this thread's definitely not going anywhere. It's a veritable monument to the fact-ignoring stupidity of obsessive conspiraloons.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Oh, this thread's definitely not going anywhere. It's a veritable monument to the fact-ignoring stupidity of obsessive conspiraloons.

I tihk it may be good to keep it open though - if you close it Jazzz will simply claim it as a "victory" and bring it up in the inevitable followup thread in a months time.

 

[editor]

I tihk it may be good to keep it open though - if you close it Jazzz will simply claim it as a "victory" and bring it up in the inevitable followup thread in a months time.

Any new threads simply repeating the points discussed here ad infinitum will be binned.

 

[Andy the Don]

David Shyler currently on the David Vine show (Radio 2) spouting idiocy about the WTC being brought down by demolition charges. Also said the planes were holographs. Why do the media give people like him the oxygen of publicity.?

 

[WouldBe]

It is inconceivable that they (NORAD) can track incoming ICBMs but not 767s.

Incoming means flying into the USA not originating from inside. Perhaps NORAD were worried about Utah launching an ICBM attack on New Hampshire.