9/11 media happenings

[Jazzz]

No you don't as solids can't drip. They can fall or drop but can't drip.

well there you go. So how do you explain the dripping yellow metal from our known thermite demonstration (your description)?

 

[Jazzz]

I think it's pretty clear to everyone here who is deluded.

You claim to be a truth seeker, yet you run away from anything that dares to challenge your predetermined view of the world. You accuse people of failing to debate, yet you refuse to debate with anyone yourself, simply posting up the same old shite again and again, in spite of your "evidence" being torn to shreds by people far better qualified than yourself to do so.

Your refusal to look at the points the protec report raises is just one example of this.

Well that's just all too bad isn't it.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Well that's just all too bad isn't it.

Is this really the best you can do?

 

[Loki]

Well that's just all too bad isn't it.

yes, if i stick a smile at the end of my post that makes my words ok!

 

[WouldBe]

well there you go. So how do you explain the dripping yellow metal from our known thermite demonstration (your description)?

No. That's bright yellow and the molten iron that lands on the 'ground' is white hot.

Now where did I say the dripping metal was yellow?

Your just reading into information what you want to see. It's not helped when your 'experts' use incorrect terminology and cherry pick themselves.

 

[editor]

How could I possibly answer your question when I am, with your logic, not qualified to do so?

Then why do you clearly believe that you are qualified to decide which source should be believed?

 

[Jazzz]

Now where did I say the dripping metal was yellow?

Your just reading into information what you want to see. It's not helped when your 'experts' use incorrect terminology and cherry pick themselves.

Well when you said 'that's bright yellow' or whatever. I'm a little confused by your posts I must say.

however what I can see in the thermite video is dripping yellow and orange metal, and when the reaction is very heavy, white. This is perfectly in keeping with the dripping metal seen from the South Tower, IMHO.

 

[Jazzz]

Then why do you clearly believe that you are qualified to decide which source should be believed?

I don't 'believe' either souce. You do, because you follow authority! God this is silly.

 

[WouldBe]

Well when you said 'that's bright yellow' or whatever. I'm a little confused by your posts I must say.

however what I can see in the thermite video is dripping yellow and orange metal, and when the reaction is very heavy, white. This is perfectly in keeping with the dripping metal seen from the South Tower, IMHO.

Dripping only applies to liquids. Yellow or orange metal is solid and can't drip just as a steel girder falling off the top of a building doesn't drip.

If the stuff coming out of the towers is actually dripping i.e. molten then it's definately not molten steel and therefore there's no proof of thermite in use.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I don't 'believe' either souce. You do, because you follow authority! God this is silly.

Hold it, you're willing to take the word of someone at random with no qualifications, but you're not willing to take the word of a company that specialises in CD?

yeah well Jim Hoffman did them all for me.

If you're stupid enough to think anything on that page is worth remembering then you're a fucking idiot. Even you should be able to tell the difference between it and the Protec report.

 

[Jazzz]

you've lost me WouldBe.

so this is white then?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

you've lost me WouldBe.

so this is white then?

God you're dense. Solid objects can be moving without being molten.

Dripping only applies to liquids. Yellow or orange metal is solid and can't drip just as a steel girder falling off the top of a building doesn't drip.

 

[Jazzz]

Hold it, you're willing to take the word of someone at random with no qualifications, but you're not willing to take the word of a company that specialises in CD?

I'm not taking anyone's word. Isn't that clear by now? I make up my own mind.

 

[Jazzz]

God you're dense. Solid objects can be moving without being molten.

Exactly. So where's the problem?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I'm not taking anyone's word. Isn't that clear by now? I make up my own mind.

No, it's clear your mind was already made up. You're yet to get off your lazy arse and do what you promised you'd do, time and time again you've said you'd do things then backed out on them. It's only the frequent binning of your threads that saves you.

Exactly. So where's the problem?

Your (oh so characteristic) use of "dripping" and "molten" for a start, your complete lack of understanding of material science in general probably contributes. But it's good to see you accept you're wrong again.

 

[Jazzz]

Your (oh so characteristic) use of "dripping" and "molten" for a start, your complete lack of understanding of material science in general probably contributes. But it's good to see you accept you're wrong again.

I wasn't. Do you know what the point is here at all, beyond semantics?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I wasn't. Do you know what the point is here at all, beyond semantics?

If you don't understand what the words mean then you shouldn't be using them. This means you're not allowed to use the term "drip" "molten" or "truth" anymore. Sorry.

I'm also glad to see you're accepting your culpability in terms of failing to provide things you promised you'd do. Surprisingly big of you.

 

[Jazzz]

yes, if i stick a smile at the end of my post that makes my words ok!

You should try it then!

 

[editor]

I make up my own mind.

...based on the lunatic ramblings of clueless morons posting on conspiraloon sites.

Where else would you find the "thermite" bollocks from Jazzz?

 

[Jazzz]

If you don't understand what the words mean then you shouldn't be using them. This means you're not allowed to use the term "drip" "molten" or "truth" anymore. Sorry.

Oh don't just tag along to the fag end of a point without knowing where it was going. WouldBe was, unless I'm much mistaken, attempting to make out that the 'molten metal' (which let's take to mean a simplified version of 'metal that was molten when it started dripping but which may have solidified enough to change colour on the way down) apparently dripping from the south Tower in the pictures I've linked to are not consistent with that of a thermite reaction. However, by linking to a known demonstration of a thermite reaction - which features lots of yellow and orange flying about - I am displaying that it is.

Correct?

 

[WouldBe]

you've lost me WouldBe.

so this is white then?

Taken from the video you linked to.

The white drips are molten steel. Yellow isn't hot enough to be molten steel. The yellow in your pic is something other than molten steel.

Exactly. So where's the problem?

The problem is your 'expert' claims that the 'drips' are molten steel and hence prooves that thermite was used. Unfortunately the colour of the 'drips' isn't hot enough to be molten steel so it's something else and therefore thermite isn't required and the picture of 'drips' from the tower don't proove anything let alone that thermite was used.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Oh don't just tag along to the fag end of a point without knowing where it was going. WouldBe was, unless I'm much mistaken, attempting to make out that the 'molten metal' (which let's take to mean a simplified version of 'metal that was molten when it started dripping but which may have solidified enough to change colour on the way down) apparently dripping from the south Tower in the pictures I've linked to are not consistent with that of a thermite reaction. However, by linking to a known demonstration of a thermite reaction I am displaying that it is.

Correct?

Lies lies and damned lies is a better summary. It's amazing just how much you misrepresent things.

Is that the same Jim Hoffman who claims to be a physicist but who's knowledge of physics was debunked many threads ago?

The bloke who claims in his protec rebuttal that the temp of molten metal can be determined from it's colour regardless of the composition of the metal. Then goes on to say that a red glow is around 1000F and the molten metal, dripping from the towers, showing evidence of thermite is glowing orange and therefore hotter yet ignores the fact that thermite burns at 2000C and any metal at this temp should be white hot not a much colder orange colour.

He was pointing out that all of the description of metal behaviour at temperature you'd liked to was wrong and that your source is an idiot. You want to talk about how it started? It started there.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=5858259&postcount=3426

 

[editor]

However, by linking to a known demonstration of a thermite reaction - which features lots of yellow and orange flying about - I am displaying that it is.

Oh dear. Are you really using that daft TV show demonstration as "proof" of your evidence-unsupported, "it was the invisible thermite wot dun it, guv" claim?

Who needs Protec when you've got 'the hamster' eh, Jazzz?

 

[WouldBe]

However, by linking to a known demonstration of a thermite reaction - which features lots of yellow and orange flying about - I am displaying that it is.

Correct?

http://www.uoregon.edu/~donovan/images/Forest Fire.bmp

There's lots of yellow and orange flying about in that picture as well but there's no molten steel and definately no thermite.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

http://www.uoregon.edu/~donovan/images/Forest Fire.bmp

There's lots of yellow and orange flying about in that picture as well but there's no molten steel and definately no thermite.

It was the pine trees that done it!

 

[Jazzz]

Taken from the video you linked to.

The white drips are molten steel. Yellow isn't hot enough to be molten steel. The yellow in your pic is something other than molten steel.

I don't agree. The range of colours visible in the South Tower video seems to me remarkably similar to that of the thermite demo.

e2a: it's molten iron that is released by thermite reaction anyway, not molten steel.

 

[editor]

I don't agree. The range of colours visible in the South Tower video seems to me remarkably similar to that of the thermite demo.

But they're also "remarkably similar" to a whole host of other things burning in a whole host of conditions and we *know* that's not down to thermite.

You need to get over your utter desperation to find a devilish plot and then you might learn how to argue rationally and stop trying to fit your square peg "theories" into round hole evidence.

 

[WouldBe]

I don't agree. The range of colours visible in the South Tower video seems to me remarkably similar to that of the thermite demo.

The range of colours is remarkably similar to those in the forest fire I posted. Perhaps 'they' smuggled a small forest in to the towers along with the explosives.

 

[Jazzz]

The range of colours is remarkably similar to those in the forest fire I posted. Perhaps 'they' smuggled a small forest in to the towers along with the explosives.

There is a very clear difference between your picture of a forest fire, and our other two scenarios.
Did you get the point about molten iron?

 

[WouldBe]

Did you get the point about molten iron?

What that thermite produces molten iron and not molten steel?

If you want to use thermite to bring down the towers your going to need to produce molten steel to cut through the steel work of the towers.