Meant to comment on this earlier. just to say when others were coming out with utter nonsense and hysteria, this was one of the best replies.
Purnell: more attacks on the unemployed, etc
- Thread starter treelover
- Start date
Meant to comment on this earlier. just to say when others were coming out with utter nonsense and hysteria, this was one of the best replies.
I wonder if anyone is keeping a tally of the suicides, that this repetition from the government and tabloids of this particular news item, is causing.
If you take the issue of suicides. Being isolated and unemployed can also be a significant trigger. Writing millions of people off is not a good thing.
So are you admitting the ultra right Labour policies ARE leading to suicides then? If the dole is all a person has got, and you take that away...anything could happen. I know 2 people on the dole who killed themselves WITHOUT having their money stopped...
_angel_
.
tbaldwin would take that as an argument they should have had their money stopped.
Aye you're right, what's a life if it means .0001p off tax?
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
I wonder if anyone is keeping a tally of the suicides, that this repetition from the government and tabloids of this particular news item, is causing.
Baldwin will be sharpening up his beak, the fucking vulture.
Ultra right? You sad Tory git.
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
Doesn't really matter what you claim Baldwin; you may or may not be a Tory. The important thing is you come across as a Tory, tosser, wanker, cunt. Take your choice.
Sorry that really is just rubbish. You say Tory but you can not back that up at all,in any way.
I say that i think the majority of people on IB could work and some people moronically thinks that means.
1 I want to see peoples benefits cut or stopped
2 I hate the sick and the unemployed....
Who needs the eurostar eh some of you must be able to jump across the channel.....
Urbanblues
Was that it, life?
I'll back up what I've posted when you prove your arguments on thousands of employers willing to take on severely disabled people at £25 per hour; who will employ severely disabled people when they know the person may only manage a handful of hours per week; who will then pay the disabled person for say, an agreed 16 hours per week.
Fairly safe to say I won't need to back up anything.
The Black Hand
Unclean
I must say that in the current political climate you suggesting " that i think the majority of people on IB could work" agrees with the dominant parties who will implement;
"1 peoples benefits cut or stopped
2 I hate the sick and the unemployed...."
Whether you like it or not that is the most likely/almost certain thing which will happen. In that situation it is not surprising you are called a Tory. Radicals once approached things from a humanist left perspective which would not assume that they couldn't work, it would, in the first instance, look for evidence about their real condition(s) and their beliefs as they are - not how you want them to be. It would certainly never suggest something that they did not want to do.
The Black Hand
Unclean
They are ultra right if you consider the spectrum of Labour party policy in history - ultra right within the Labour party.
You sound just like a new labour minister, which means A TORY. If you're not a Tory who do you vote for then eh? The BNP? UKIP?
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
tbaldwin decked Griffin (allegedly) one time and is a self-declared 'authoritarian socialist', so no and no. However, he may become a 'minister' one day - who knows?
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
After my last employer retired me, I re-discovered new talents which I have continually honed in my own home. I cannot tolerate being with people for more than an hour, never have been able to. I denied this however, in my twenty year career, as I wanted to keep all those jobs I lost, through my difficulties.
I have never felt suicidal because I dont have a job. OK Im skint, and the contents of my home from a skip, my clothes are mates cast-offs, but I knew financial sacrifices had to be made, and made they were.
I did, however walk into a road, and also tried to walk off a train platform, during rush hour when I was employed.
There are many many people like me.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
ok, do you think that people claiming benefits should be forced to undertake interviews, work-related activity (what ever the fuck that is meant to be), workforce labour, skills screening and training, with a punishment of having benefit reduced if you're deemed not to have complied?
Why did this problem not exist thirty so years ago could it be the neo liberal dismantling of our manufacturing industry and mass unemployment cause by this policy.that their are more than four million econmically inactive and six hundred thousand vacancies.the working conditions of today are the prime cause of the mental health issues that abound and to have this kind of crap put onto clamiants will push them to suicide or a worstening of their condition
The Black Hand
Unclean
I agree.
Probably...I mean if people receive benefits i think it is fair enough they do something for those benefits where they can.
But i dont support the idea that people should be forced to work. I think that everybody should get the chance to work.
I think one of the present problems with the benfit system is that it actively discourages people moving back into work. Stuff like therapeautic earnings disregard needs to be increased.
Benfits for the disabled should be much more about benefits you can get if your in or out of work.
I vote who ever i think will be best for the country or area...Sometimes Labour sometimes Liberal sometimes Green...Never Tory,UKIP or BNP.
New Labour doubled spending on Health and Education to call them Tories is just infantile nonsense.
But where's that spending going? Into the hands of PFI companies, a Tory idea if i ever saw one. Now come on, if you wanted to build a house and could get a loan for 8 percent you wouldn't get a private company to do it for you instead and pay them 50 per cent would you?
I am very surprised you vote for those parties actually...
I do think even New Labour are better for the HNS than the Tories would be though...just a shame they gotta line their cronies pockets in PFI companies
Trev.....I think PFI is a really shit idea.....
But only a very small proportion of the massive increase in public spending has gone on PFI.....
The shit some people come out with you would think that private companies and individuals had only just started to milk the public purse....
But only a very small proportion of the massive increase in public spending has gone on PFI.....
The shit some people come out with you would think that private companies and individuals had only just started to milk the public purse....
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
You're the sort of person who hides behind any alleged ailment you may have.
You instigate situations, then hide behind your disabilities.
Go wallow in your own socially inadequate hell.
Like i say...a Tory idea, well not really, it goes all the way back to Mussolini , but the Tories were the first to introduce it here to my knowledge, and every PFI scheme fucks the country up for 20 years to come. It will get to a stage where half our taxes go direct into the pockets of the PFI companies...
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Everyone can contribute something to society.
If they are payed some sort of wage, most morally decent people would see this as redeaming dignity and self respect.
The liberal lefty nanny state is pulling this society into moral degeneration!
No not SOME sort of wage. A LIVING wage. Most people on the dole would work for a living wage if they are treated well, but all my mates who have been in low paid jobs were treated like shite and worked until they nearly dropped.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Better than being some social parasite.
Unless of course it's YOU being forced to work there....
_angel_
.
Similar threads
