Purnell: more attacks on the unemployed, etc

[ViolentPanda]

Ultra right? You sad Tory git.

If Trev is a "tory git", then by definition you must be "ultra right", Balders, given that trev is as non-sectarian left as they come.

 

[treelover]

post reported Nigel, you need to think about what you have just posted, it was offensive, nasty, discriminatory and vile, i hope you you get a temp ban

You're the sort of person who hides behind any alleged ailment you may have.
You instigate situations, then hide behind your disabilities.
Go wallow in your own socially inadequate hell.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why did this problem not exist thirty so years ago could it be the neo liberal dismantling of our manufacturing industry and mass unemployment cause by this policy.that their are more than four million econmically inactive and six hundred thousand vacancies.the working conditions of today are the prime cause of the mental health issues that abound and to have this kind of crap put onto clamiants will push them to suicide or a worstening of their condition

Yep, contraction and closure of our manufacturing base, and partial replacement with soc-called "service industries", shortly followed by the contraction of service industries due to "outsourcing" and "job-flight". Keep kicking people between the legs and you shouldn't be surprised when some of them break under the strain of trying to conform to expectations in an economic climate that makes it all but impossible.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

post reported Nigel, you need to have think about what you posted, it was offensive, nasty, discriminatory and vile, i hope you you get a temp ban

yep. i just reported it as well. only thing i'd see differently is it should be a permanent ban for this fool.

 

[editor]

You're the sort of person who hides behind any alleged ailment you may have.
You instigate situations, then hide behind your disabilities.
Go wallow in your own socially inadequate hell.

That's a deeply unpleasant and deeply offensive post.

I do hope you'll have the good grace to apologise.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're the sort of person who hides behind any alleged ailment you may have.
You instigate situations, then hide behind your disabilities.
Go wallow in your own socially inadequate hell.

No, actually he talks the talk and walks the walk, he gets involved in protest and in union and political activities.

I love the way you project your own pathetic existence onto others, although I wouldn't expect any better from a loser who PMs death threats to people.

Must be humiliating for you to have a cock so small that even if you rape a mouse, the mouse can't tell whether you're up it or not.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's a deeply unpleasant and deeply offensive post.

I do hope you'll have the good grace to apologise.

On past form he's more likely to PM Urbanblues another death threat.

 

[treelover]

Not trying to put you in acorner ed, but if that had been said about any other group it would have resulted in a ban, I know P/p can't afford to lose reg posters but this is in a different league, its the sort of thing you would read on
shitfront

 

[ViolentPanda]

post reported Nigel, you need to think about what you have just posted, it was offensive, nasty, discriminatory and vile, i hope you you get a temp ban

Of course it's offensive, nasty, discriminatory and vile. What the fuck else do you expect from someone who claims to be a "working class socialist" and yet manages to channel the rancid ectoplasmic spirit of Nicholas Ridley?

 

[Fruitloop]

I really don't get all the 'socialists without socialism' round here. It's very weird.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Not trying to put you in acorner ed, but if that had been said about any other group it would have resulted in a ban, I know P/p can't afford to lose reg posters but this is in a different league, its the sort of thing you would read on
shitfront

It's actually against the law to allow people to express views in the way that he did.

Hate crime
Hatred is a strong term that goes beyond simply causing offence or hostility. Hate crime is any criminal offence committed against a person or property that is motivated by an offender's hatred of someone because of their:

• race, colour, ethnic origin, nationality or national origins
• religion
• gender or gender identity
• sexual orientation
• disability

Hate crime can take many forms including:

• physical attacks – such as physical assault, damage to property, offensive graffiti, neighbour disputes and arson
• threat of attack – including offensive letters, abusive or obscene telephone calls, groups hanging around to intimidate and unfounded, malicious complaints
• verbal abuse or insults - offensive leaflets and posters, abusive gestures, dumping of rubbish outside homes or through letterboxes, and bullying at school or in the workplace

​

 

[ViolentPanda]

I really don't get all the 'socialists without socialism' round here. It's very weird.

It's (as I'm sure you know. ) a semantic figleaf, an attempt to voice what are (by any stretch of a healthy imagination) rightist views under the cover of having some vague connection to the left through self-identifying as a "socialist" (or "socliast" as peebs used to call them ).
Quite pathetic really.

 

[Fruitloop]

Maybe we should have a moratorium. From now on if you want to espouse right-wing populism, don't be bashful! Shout your capitulation to the demands of the ruling class to the rafters!

At least then we'll all know where we stand.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Maybe we should have a moratorium. From now on if you want to espouse right-wing populism, don't be bashful! Shout your capitulation to the demands of the ruling class to the rafters!

At least then we'll all know where we stand.

Hear hear. NO shielding themselves behind spurious labels, let them speak out and be proud of their politics rather than acting like school kids who've been caught with a wank-mag.

 

[editor]

On past form he's more likely to PM Urbanblues another death threat.

In which case please forward them to a mod.

Not trying to put you in acorner ed, but if that had been said about any other group it would have resulted in a ban, I know P/p can't afford to lose reg posters but this is in a different league, its the sort of thing you would read on
shitfront

I'd rather wait to read his response first before waving the big banning stick around.

Must be humiliating for you to have a cock so small that even if you rape a mouse, the mouse can't tell whether you're up it or not.

Mind you, this isn't much better.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I'd rather wait to read his response first before waving the big banning stick around.

Even though its probably a criminal offence to post what he did (see post 221 above)?

 

[_angel_]

I really don't get all the 'socialists without socialism' round here. It's very weird.

Yeah it is a bit confusing. I mean I don't claim to be anything but some of these 'socialists' sound more like tories.

In my humble un educated opinion.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Mind you, this isn't much better.

It wasn't aimed to be, but at least, unlike Nigel's post in reply to urbanblues, it didn't question his honesty and integrity, just the size of his genitalia.

A fine distinction perhaps, but a distinction nonetheless.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah it is a bit confusing. I mean I don't claim to be anything but some of these 'socialists' sound more like tories.

In my humble un educated opinion.

I suspect (but it's only a suspicion at this moment in time) that many of these self-styled "socialists" are post-Foot "socialist", people who grew up believing that Kinnochio's kowtowing to capital was actually an example of socialism rather than an example of capitulation to "the market".

 

[trevhagl]

I suspect (but it's only a suspicion at this moment in time) that many of these self-styled "socialists" are post-Foot "socialist", people who grew up believing that Kinnochio's kowtowing to capital was actually an example of socialism rather than an example of capitulation to "the market".

Yuppie fuckers in wine bars

 

[tbaldwin]

I suspect (but it's only a suspicion at this moment in time) that many of these self-styled "socialists" are post-Foot "socialist", people who grew up believing that Kinnochio's kowtowing to capital was actually an example of socialism rather than an example of capitulation to "the market".

Yeah? And who exactly are you accusing of being a fan of Kinnock?
Kinnock was not exactly my idea of a good mp or leader for Labour....More hot air out of his gob than yours.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah? And who exactly are you accusing of being a fan of Kinnock?

I haven't accused anyone of being a "fan of Kinnock", you dipshit.

Kinnock was not exactly my idea of a good mp or leader for Labour....More hot air out of his gob than yours.

I wonder why you took this post so personally, balders.

Guilty conscience, perhaps?

 

[tbaldwin]

I haven't accused anyone of being a "fan of Kinnock", you dipshit.

I wonder why you took this post so personally, balders.

Guilty conscience, perhaps?

Come on VP....You can do much better than this....You know i love your vitriol.

 

[agricola]

Yeah? And who exactly are you accusing of being a fan of Kinnock?
Kinnock was not exactly my idea of a good mp or leader for Labour....More hot air out of his gob than yours.

Do you qualify as a supporter of Kinnock if you hated Derek Hatton?

 

[tbaldwin]

Do you qualify as a supporter of Kinnock if you hated Derek Hatton?

Only in the same way as you qualify as a nazi if you hated winston churchill i suppose....
But i personally never hated Derek Hatton.....not exactly a fan either though....

 

[Urbanblues]

Even though its probably a criminal offence to post what he did (see post 221 above)?

This looks like a job for detective-boy.

 

[Fullyplumped]

It's actually against the law to allow people to express views in the way that he did.

No it isn't, in any part of the UK anyway. As I'm sure DB will tell us if he sees this.

The reference in the link to the Home Office website is to the principle that many kinds of existing crimes - violence and threats of violence, breach of the peace, graffiti, vandalism, stalking, etc. - are treated as aggravated if they are motivated by racism, homophobia, and other kinds of hate.

What this means in practice is that a police officer will be much less likely to use discretion in deciding whether to arrest, and a prosecutor will be much more likely to decide to prosecute than not, and that if a court convicts, the sentence will be heavier.

The definition of a hate crime is "any incident, which constitutes a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person as being motivated by prejudice or hate."

It isn't a criminal offence to allow an anonymous person to post remarks on the internet which are calculated to offend or disparage disabled people, so it can't be aggravated. But if an act is a crime - e.g. a threat to do harm is made - then it would be treated as aggravated if motivated by hate.

Editor is probably safe. But Nigel is probably a balloon (I hope it's OK to say that).

 

[Urbanblues]

You're the sort of person who hides behind any alleged ailment you may have.
You instigate situations, then hide behind your disabilities.
Go wallow in your own socially inadequate hell.

Oh dear; was that it? That was like being insulted by a piece of knitwear from a maiden aunt. In truth, I’ve had worse said to my face. So, if that’s the best he can do from his fastness on the other side of the ether; I think I’m safe for a while longer.

 

[agricola]

No it isn't, in any part of the UK anyway. As I'm sure DB will tell us if he sees this.

The reference in the link to the Home Office website is to the principle that many kinds of existing crimes - violence and threats of violence, breach of the peace, graffiti, vandalism, stalking, etc. - are treated as aggravated if they are motivated by racism, homophobia, and other kinds of hate.

What this means in practice is that a police officer will be much less likely to use discretion in deciding whether to arrest, and a prosecutor will be much more likely to decide to prosecute than not, and that if a court convicts, the sentence will be heavier.

The definition of a hate crime is "any incident, which constitutes a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person as being motivated by prejudice or hate."

It isn't a criminal offence to allow an anonymous person to post remarks on the internet which are calculated to offend or disparage disabled people, so it can't be aggravated. But if an act is a crime - e.g. a threat to do harm is made - then it would be treated as aggravated if motivated by hate.

Editor is probably safe. But Nigel is probably a balloon (I hope it's OK to say that).

This is pedantry, but breach of the peace is not actually an offence.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

No it isn't, in any part of the UK anyway. As I'm sure DB will tell us if he sees this.

The reference in the link to the Home Office website is to the principle that many kinds of existing crimes - violence and threats of violence, breach of the peace, graffiti, vandalism, stalking, etc. - are treated as aggravated if they are motivated by racism, homophobia, and other kinds of hate.

What this means in practice is that a police officer will be much less likely to use discretion in deciding whether to arrest, and a prosecutor will be much more likely to decide to prosecute than not, and that if a court convicts, the sentence will be heavier.

The definition of a hate crime is "any incident, which constitutes a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person as being motivated by prejudice or hate."

It isn't a criminal offence to allow an anonymous person to post remarks on the internet which are calculated to offend or disparage disabled people, so it can't be aggravated. But if an act is a crime - e.g. a threat to do harm is made - then it would be treated as aggravated if motivated by hate.

Editor is probably safe. But Nigel is probably a balloon (I hope it's OK to say that).

Sorry but that's arrant nonsense. The words quite clearly aim to personalise the abuse, they are offensive on any number of levels, and if UB feels that they are offensive, case law (as there is) would suggest that this should be treated as a hate crime. Nigel's post drips with prejudice, using language as it does of "using" disability.