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Will the Tories break the record for most seats won?

Will the Tories break the seats won record in June's GE

  • I believe they will

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Close call

    Votes: 8 26.7%

  • Don't be daft, a win but nowhere near

    Votes: 12 40.0%

  • Er no, Jeremy will win this one

    Votes: 8 26.7%
  • Total voters
    30
Rimbaud said:
True, but all the same a majority of Labour supporters voted remain, so taking a more forthright pro-Brexit stance probably isn't going to help their polling. Their economic policies are good, but it seems like nobody knows what they are. The chaos and lack of competence is a bigger problem than the general direction imo. They need to sort themselves out and find an effective way to communicate for 2022.
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Yeah, but this is really questioning whether should they go with the inevitable outcome deriving from the decision of the demos or pander to the historic position of some of their supporters.
No- brainer really.
 
bimble said:
How many times are you going to repost that ducking video ?
:facepalm:
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What's wrong with you?

I'm posting it because I think it's a perfect example of what Streeck is talking about. Both of these people needed the votes of 'old white men', but their cosmopolitan identitarianism apparently compelled them to say things that are extremely alienating to people that they need to win over, and so unsurprisingly the majority of the people who they are describing as so awful are alienated by these attitudes.
 
brogdale said:
The important point is that, in voting for May's Brexit promises, they believe that they are effecting the 'anti-elitist' position they took in June....whether we agree with that, or not. The LP have, thus far, not persuaded them otherwise.
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Yep, it's been quite a feat really, from Cameron thinking he'd 'lance the boil' with a referendum, May herself wanting to stay in, it's all somehow fallen into her lap (electorally at least). And Labour have somehow failed to grasp hold of any of the core issues, never been in a position to do really. Superficial comparisons with the Falklands war in that, initially at least it was seen that the Argentine invasion was down to the Tory's cuts in navy patrols and would have consequences for Thatcher - and ended up a patriotic wipeout for Labour.
 
Wilf said:
Yep, it's been quite a feat really, from Cameron thinking he'd 'lance the boil' with a referendum, May herself wanting to stay in, it's all somehow fallen into her lap (electorally at least). And Labour have somehow failed to grasp hold of any of the core issues, never been in a position to do really. Superficial comparisons with the Falklands war in that, initially at least it was seen that the Argentine invasion was down to the Tory's cuts in navy patrols and would have consequences for Thatcher - and ended up a patriotic wipeout for Labour.
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Yep, one of the best ever examples of political 'threat as opportunity'.
 
brogdale said:
Been posted elsewhere...but Streeck nails it in his latest NLR piece.

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That is, as ever, a nice concise descriptive NLR piece from Streeck and he manages to get in some good shots on Tooze as the same time. But, as with many of his NLR pieces (this can be seen in the end of capitalism collection from last year) he correctly nails the various elites for cultural sneering at the losers from their policies but then engages in it himself - this time about twitter and celebs, in many previous pieces about films and TV - and it's just struck me what this reminds me of. The cultural attitudes of the NLR (and wider new left) of the late 50s and early 60s. They actually submitted reports to the BBC requesting popular music not be played and certain programs (of the 'pseudo-american' type) not be shown as they brought down the general culture of the little people. 60 years on and maybe not that much has changed in the NLR elite - even though one of their early editors (stuart hall) utterly destroying the basis for this way of looking at things.

And no the tories won't.
 
The worry is that Labour will do badly enough to ditch Corbyn and lurch back to the right, limp along gradually dropping a few % here and there, but with occasional winning blip that we'll hit 2022 with an even weaker but more right-wing Labour Party. And the same old arguments repeated yet again, but by fewer people, more half-heartedly.

I find myself almost hoping that Labour face a big enough defeat to open up a space for something else.
 
J Ed said:
'The cosmopolitan identitarianism of the leaders of the neoliberal age, originating as it did in part from left-wing universalism, calls forth by way of reaction a national identitarianism, while anti-national re-education from above produces an anti-elitist nationalism from below.'

This is great, really does say it all.
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Was that in Pseuds Corner?
 
bi0boy said:
Was that in Pseuds Corner?
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No, it was in New Left Review: A 160-page journal published every two months from London, New Left Review analyses world politics, the global economy, state powers and protest movements; contemporary social theory, history and philosophy; cinema, literature, heterodox art and aesthetics. It runs a regular book review section and carries interviews, essays, topical comments and signed editorials on political issues of the day.
 
chilango said:
The worry is that Labour will do badly enough to ditch Corbyn and lurch back to the right, limp along gradually dropping a few % here and there, but with occasional winning blip that we'll hit 2022 with an even weaker but more right-wing Labour Party. And the same old arguments repeated yet again, but by fewer people, more half-heartedly.

I find myself almost hoping that Labour face a big enough defeat to open up a space for something else.
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Once Brexit is completed the game changes once more. Are people still going to feel ripped off by elites? You bet they will.

By 2011 T May will be widely reviled. Where will the disaffected turn to?
 
butchersapron said:
That is, as ever, a nice concise descriptive NLR piece from Streeck and he manages to get in some good shots on Tooze as the same time. But, as with many of his NLR pieces (this can be seen in the end of capitalism collection from last year) he correctly nails the various elites for cultural sneering at the losers from their policies but then engages in it himself - this time about twitter and celebs, in many previous pieces about films and TV - and it's just struck me what this reminds me of. The cultural attitudes of the NLR (and wider new left) of the late 50s and early 60s. They actually submitted reports to the BBC requesting popular music not be played and certain programs (of the 'pseudo-american' type) not be shown as they brought down the general culture of the little people. 60 years on and maybe not that much has changed in the NLR elite - even though one of their early editors (stuart hall) utterly destroying the basis for this way of looking at things.

And no the tories won't.
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Yes, the 'Kardashian' passage did come across as rather sneering. I suspect that derives as much from his anti-Americanism as academic elitism, though it does jar terribly within what is a good (descriptive) analysis.
Yesterday I heard Yanis speak at Goldsmiths and he was presenting a very similar analysis and (for dramatic effect?) went as far as warning the metropolitan elite element in the room that their continued sneering would result in fascism.
 
Mr Moose said:
Once Brexit is completed the game changes once more. Are people still going to feel ripped off by elites? You bet they will.

By 2011 T May will be widely reviled. Where will the disaffected turn to?
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A time machine by the looks of it ;)

They're unlikely to turn to Labour that continues to pursue a centre/centre-right neoliberalism that's for sure.

(FWIW, I count myself as pretty dissaffected now - libertarian communist with nowhere to go, and I refuse to vote 'least worst' pro-neoliberalism)
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Why? You can have shit, or completely utterly shit. The great revolution isn't going to happen. This is what we have.

If going with the least bad option makes things better for just one person, then why not?
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Voting Tory makes things better for at least one person too.
 
Mr Moose said:
Once Brexit is completed the game changes once more. Are people still going to feel ripped off by elites? You bet they will.

By 2011 T May will be widely reviled. Where will the disaffected turn to?
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Her younger successor, a man with a plan i.e. Cameron mkII
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Why? You can have shit, or completely utterly shit. The great revolution isn't going to happen. This is what we have.

If going with the least bad option makes things better for just one person, then why not?
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The "which would you prefer: A shit sandwich, or a shit sandwich with a garnish of flat leaf parsley?" question. However you answer, you end up eating a shit sandwich.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Why? You can have shit, or completely utterly shit. The great revolution isn't going to happen. This is what we have.

If going with the least bad option makes things better for just one person, then why not?
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I did that and told myself it was the only way for years until I've realised it not only 'validated' Labour to pursue neoliberalism too - sell off social housing, privatise public services, have no desire to truly defend the welfare state, but also give rise to the situation we find ourselves in now.
 
stethoscope said:
I did that and told myself it was the only way for years until I've realised it not only 'validated' Labour to pursue neoliberalism too - sell off social housing, privatise public services, have no desire to truly defend the welfare state, but also give rise to the situation we find ourselves in now.
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It's a bit like one of those 'if it takes two men one hour to dig a hole, how long will it take....' things. Only now it's 'if it takes 1/3 million new members 18 months to fail to transform the Labour Party...'.

Answer should be: stop digging.
 
ViolentPanda said:
The "which would you prefer: A shit sandwich, or a shit sandwich with a garnish of flat leaf parsley?" question. However you answer, you end up eating a shit sandwich.
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No, the shit sandwiches are the same. Just given to you by different waiters....
 
If there is a record to be broken at this election, I suggest it's the one for lowest turnout, which currently stands at 59.4% for the 2001 GE.

I will be doing my bit for this record breaking attempt on 8th June by avoiding the polling station completely and I urge everyone here to do the same - every non-vote matters :thumbs:
 
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