Why is Urban Pol full of racist threads?

[rauscher]

The problem is a lot of whites actually like people with dark skins. Some even fall in in love. Some even have sex with each other.

 

[rauscher]

Tonka Toy, I understand how message boards work. Maybe you should see a doctor.

 

[rauscher]

You see, sometimes being nice to people is not the most effective means of debate. Some peoples' views are simply irrational. Still, I love you all except the racists. I am, as ever, an extreme anti-racist.

 

[TonkaToy]

The problem is a lot of whites actually like people with dark skins. Some even fall in in love. Some even have sex with each other.

I don't see what skin colour has to with immigration or even controlled immigration.

The reciprical migration solution I have outlined for countries outside the EU has nothing at all to do with skin colour.

 

[TonkaToy]

You see, sometimes being nice to people is not the most effective means of debate. Some peoples' views are simply irrational. Still, I love you all except the racists. I am, as ever, an extreme anti-racist.

You don't have to be nice to anyone, but abuse is against the FAQ. Besides, it's not your site and you ain't a moderator, so it's not for you to sit there and decide who is or isn't racist.

You haven't even bothered to discuss anything on this thread, you just jumped in with abuse and accusations of racism without even bothering to read peoples posts.

 

[TonkaToy]

Tonka Toy, I understand how message boards work. Maybe you should see a doctor.

Then start acting like you know how messageboards work.

 

[rauscher]

Are you happy with uncontrolled immigration within the entire EEU?

 

[audiotech]

Controlled immigration that is reciprical between countries.

1 man in from country X
1 man out to country X

That's the fairest system you can have for all the countries outside of the EU.

You appear to have developed a policy based on conversations with the doormen at some trendy nightspot.

 

[rauscher]

You appear to have developed a policy based on conversations with the doormen at some trendy nightspot.

I don't go to nightspots - trendy or otherwise.

 

[rauscher]

I repeat a question:

Are you happy with uncontrolled immigration within the entire EEU?

Come on Tonka Toy. MC5. Why is this taking so long? Are you so brain-dead you have to consult?
Surely you are intelligent racists, with brains (maybe not).

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

If most people wanted open borders, just about every political party there is, would be falling over themselves to offer it - they don't.

Why should I waste my time, googling up, what everyone in the real world already knows?

That's why they're falling over each other to offer the death penalty.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Tonka Toy, I understand how message boards work. Maybe you should see a doctor.

 

[TonkaToy]

Are you happy with uncontrolled immigration within the entire EEU?

I already gave you an answer to that question.

 

[TonkaToy]

That's why they're falling over each other to offer the death penalty.

I think you will find that we would have to pull out of Europe to have the death penalty reinstated, which is why none of the main 3 parties offer it on their manefesto.

 

[TonkaToy]

You appear to have developed a policy based on conversations with the doormen at some trendy nightspot.

It's the fairest way.

 

[rauscher]

So TonkaToy - which party do you represent? Empty brain - shouldn't be too hard

 

[TonkaToy]

So TonkaToy - which party do you represent? Empty brain - shouldn't be too hard

I don't "represent" any party.

Quit will the personal insults. I'm not insulting you. You could quit running around and posting up abusive one liners and actually get involved in the debate. Posting nothing but abuse, does not add value to this messageboard, nor will it change anyones minds.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I think you will find that we would have to pull out of Europe to have the death penalty reinstated, which is why none of the main 3 parties offer it on their manefesto.

So why didn't they prior to us being in Europe?

And hang on, wouldn't we have to pull out of europe to have open borders - is that not the reason there?



See, it's a ridiculous and indeed spurious argument. In fact, some of what you say is right imo, but you back it up in the worst way possible you actually need to learn to argue. Then pronouncing that you're 'right' makes you look even more of a twerp.

 

[TonkaToy]

So why didn't they prior to us being in Europe?

And hang on, wouldn't we have to pull out of europe to have open borders - is that not the reason there?



See, it's a ridiculous and indeed spurious argument. In fact, some of what you say is right imo, but you back it up in the worst way possible you actually need to learn to argue. Then pronouncing that you're 'right' makes you look even more of a twerp.

But I am right.

If we need to pull out of Europe for open borders, it makes me even more right. What's the fucking point of having open borders, just so everyone can come here, but we can no longer go to Europe?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I am a little Englander.

I am pro British.

I am proud to be both English and British, because in our fine country, our people believe in free enterprise and capitalism.

See! Start a thread and they all come out of the woodwork. The only thing you left out there was the usual guff about Britain being saddled with a Scottish government. What a plonker.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

C ... nonsense .. one or too examples mean nothing .. the guys on strike in haringay last 2 weeks are EXACTLY the opposite .. in fact in general it appears that immigrants are far more likely to put up with poor conditions/low wages/less likely to join unions ..

Yeah and they smell too. The real durruti is spinning in his grave reading your rancid views.

Jewish people, the Irish and all the rest, we've never contributed to the workers movement in this country. Have we? We're just immigrant scabs driving down wages. You are a nasty piece of work pal.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think you will find that we would have to pull out of Europe to have the death penalty reinstated, which is why none of the main 3 parties offer it on their manefesto.

And to what do you attribute none of the political parties re-legislating for the death penalty between 1963 and the passing of the Single European Actin 1992?

I mean, that's a whole 29 years where your beloved tories had the opportunity.

Could it actually be that they knew that people wouldn't wear it?

 

[ZWord]

"Yeah and they smell too. The real durruti is spinning in his grave reading your rancid views.

Jewish people, the Irish and all the rest, we've never contributed to the workers movement in this country. Have we? We're just immigrant scabs driving down wages. You are a nasty piece of work pal."


That's a bullshit post if ever I saw one bolshy.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

That's a bullshit post if ever I saw one bolshy.

Whoah there chap. Am I the one defining immigrant workers as...well...not part of the working class? What was his phrase: immigration is an attack on the working class. Notice first that here immigrant workers aren't even people, they're an abstract noun. And they're not part of the working class, they're a cunning ploy by the bosses to attack the working class. Despite the history of previous waves of immigrants and the central role they've played in labour struggles and politics in this country, the irish, jews etc. This stuff stinks to high heaven and needs to be called what it is. 'non racist immigration controls' my backside.

 

[revol68]

Whoah there chap. Am I the one defining immigrant workers as...well...not part of the working class? What was his phrase: immigration is an attack on the working class. Notice first that here immigrant workers aren't even people, they're an abstract noun. And they're not part of the working class, they're a cunning ploy by the bosses to attack the working class. Despite the history of previous waves of immigrants and the central role they've played in labour struggles and politics in this country, the irish, jews etc. This stuff stinks to high heaven and needs to be called what it is. 'non racist immigration controls' my backside.

I don't like saying he's right, so I'll just say he's not wrong.

The degeneration of this thread is an illustration of how the left taking up such positions will always see them beat, because lets face it, the fash and other bigots are just much better at this kind of think. Once we get into the position of "looking out for our own first", of previleging one section of the working class over another, and further more have these sections defined by nationality and race, we are beat, you might as well just pass the baton to the fash straight away.

 

[tbaldwin]

Whoah there chap. Am I the one defining immigrant workers as...well...not part of the working class? What was his phrase: immigration is an attack on the working class. Notice first that here immigrant workers aren't even people, they're an abstract noun. And they're not part of the working class, they're a cunning ploy by the bosses to attack the working class. Despite the history of previous waves of immigrants and the central role they've played in labour struggles and politics in this country, the irish, jews etc. This stuff stinks to high heaven and needs to be called what it is. 'non racist immigration controls' my backside.

Your ignorance and bigotry are really shit bolshie boy.....Durruti is not a racist...He is not anti immigrant......he is somebody who disagrees with you that Socialists should support free market policies on migration.

Your desperation to twist his words and try to make out he sees immigrants as less than human is feeble and pathetic.

 

[durruti02]

Yeah and they smell too. The real durruti is spinning in his grave reading your rancid views.

Jewish people, the Irish and all the rest, we've never contributed to the workers movement in this country. Have we? We're just immigrant scabs driving down wages. You are a nasty piece of work pal.

oh my .. you are so out in the fking clouds bhoy ..

historically .. sadly it is a fact that the irish were used to break strikes in ireland, in dundee particularly, but in many places in scotland but whatever that is ancient history

but what is amazing is how so far wide of the mark in understanding marxism you are ...

the working class have nothing but their labour power .. agreed?

the bosses use the reserve army of labour to counter act this power .. agreed?

so what is yer problem mate??

and where where where has it ever been suggestted that i am anti immigration or anti immigrant??

only today i was lending the Joe Jacobs book 'In the Ghetto' about the east end refugee communist jewish boxer and finally anarchist, to a mate at work ( one of the best political w/c biogs around)

your inability to understand workerist politics/trade unionism is symptomatic of how the left have been blinded by idiotic middle class ideology that ends up with them tailending new labour and the state on immigration and many other issues..

i get the impression you have come to this debate late if you so misunderstand my views .. i am all in favour of organising immigrants .. and unlike most on this site i actually work along side new wave immigrants .. as equals ..

it is not immigration that is the problem .. but that it is currently being used as part of a neo liberal agenda .. it is leftist narrow mindedness at its worst / or the middle class dominance of the left that has seen you miss this ..

 

[audiotech]

I don't go to nightspots - trendy or otherwise.

Not directed at you.

 

[audiotech]

I repeat a question:

Are you happy with uncontrolled immigration within the entire EEU?

Come on Tonka Toy. MC5. Why is this taking so long? Are you so brain-dead you have to consult?
Surely you are intelligent racists, with brains (maybe not).

Why are you bringing me into your spat with TT?

Oh and cut out the "racist" jibe it makes you look a dick.

 

[tbaldwin]

Why are you bringing me into your spat with TT?

Oh and cut out the "racist" jibe it makes you look a dick.

I really dont think that MC5 should be described as Racist....Though it could be argued ( not by me,heavens no) that his views on migration could be subconcious racism........