I separated the reply to LP, from my reply to Trotboy, and the editor.
Trotboy says:
"This really proves that Johnny Canuck doesn't understand dick about the protests, or anything else, come to that.
Editor says:
"FTP: Just a note to say I rather enjoyed your complete and utter demolition of Cannuck's laughably naive view of Canada's supposed loving relationship with McD!
Mr. Ed, in the circumstances, that looks suspiciously like a troll.
Anyway, never let it be said that I made this personal, at least not first, that is.
Are you unable to discuss something without turning it into a personal attack. Newsflash: your opinions, and you, are two different things.
First of all, Steve, who do you speak for? You sign your name over that of some party.
I looked here:
London Elections
but was unable to find either your name, or that of your party. Unless, of course, either you or the party use a different name at election time.
I realize some of these concepts are difficult, so I will take my time, and go slow.
Before, in talking about 'outsiders' vs employees, I was using a linguistic shorthand that assumes a certain level of deductive ability in the reader. I won't do that in future.
The McDonalds employees in Canada who engaged in destructive behaviour as part of their labour dispute, were doing so vis a vis their relationship as employee vs employer.
As has happened many times here and there, such relationships can degenerate to this level.
The difficulties arise due to the relationship, not because the employer is 'McDonalds'. US Steel, General Motors, or Interbrew could have similar situations arise.
The European demonstrations, as set out by Trot/Steve, shed light on the fact that the farmers were upset about the company's philosophy, and its general impact on farming, the economy, etc.
They were concerned with the very existence, and makeup, of the company.
The demonstrations were specific to McDonalds, in a way that labour disputes are not.
I won't waste further space attempting to clarify this distinction.
In discussing cholesterol, Steve talks about: "saturated artificial fats".
Saturated fats are naturally occurring. To date, there is only one 'artificial fat', namely Olestra, and it is not in wide usage as of yet, certainly not by McDonalds.
Steve's grade in organic chemistry: F.
Steve says:
"As to diversity still existing because people like us have taken a stand, it's true. Unless people had taken a stand, like the radical farmers in France, like those working on organic Farms, like those building an alternative without the billions of pounds in State subsidies that have been pumped into intensive Farming, there would be no diversity"
With respect, what the.....does that mean? Do your fellow party members actually buy this stuff?
If so, you should look into getting a job at one of those advertising companies you were talking about.
Diversity would exist even if you and your party didn't.
May I go out on a limb and say that the likely effect of your efforts on this situation, have been infinitesimal, at most.
Steve says:
"We shouldn't be eating food produced in Argentina, any more than the Argentinians should be eating French food, with the exception of delicacies and luxuries.
Pray tell, why not?
Steve says:
"I don't tell anyone what to do Johnny, unlike McDonalds, which bombards people with advertising 24-7, I just try to give people information. If they're intelligent, they generally grasp the situation pretty quickly, and in fact, most people already know that it's wrong, they just can't see a way to do anything about it. But if, like you, they're wilfully ignorant, then there's no helping them"
Of course, steve, if they agree with you, they must be intelligent.
How should us 'wilfully ignorant' people be dealt with? Forcible ejection from restaurants?
Was the french McD worker killed, wilfully ignorant?
D ) ! hehaha...
