Who will be the next Labour leader?
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Proper Tidy
Arsed
Let's be honest, they are probably all at it. What I don't get is why this database exists and is so easy to access, wtf is that about
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'd have thought that any party would aspire to have an accurate and up to date data base of its membership for obvious reasons. As regards access, my LP friends tell me that at a local level the data has always been notoriously leaky with loads of folk having access for 'campaigning'.
What I don't get is why the LP is asking its own Leadership/deputy candidates to pay £5k for the privilege of being able to contact the party's members.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Yeah any org is going to have a database of members (labour has an open directory of members which any member can access, like an internal basic facebook thing), but the data Starmer has been accused of accessing is from Dialogue which is a much wider data set (not just of members I don't think) gleaned from phone canvassing etc. Dunno what this includes (eg does it record who people voted for, which way they voted in ref, trade union membership etc) but still seems remiss to allow open access when actually accessing this data for leadership campaigns is apparently a data breach worthy of ICO investigation
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Worked for Pete Townsend
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Apols...you know more than I do.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I dunno, I could be wrong but that's my understanding. Seems a shitty way to manage data anyway
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I just assumed it was members & affiliates but, yeah if it's actual punters' data, that sounds more dodge.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Whatever happened to whichever one out of ChUK was caught with their hand in Labour's data jar after leaving the party? Was it nothing? I bet it was nothing.
rekil
to menny cranks
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Have the bookies stopped taking bets on Starmer yet?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
But not Josef Mengele. People are fickle.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
So, I think this is the first TV debate:
I have to say that I am hoping RLB or one of Nandy or Starmer says something interesting tonight. I'm aware that in a leadership election nobody wants to overreach and be the candidate with the ideas and therefore the one to be shot at by the others. But, when Corbyn won you could feel that he was setting the narrative and shifting the debate. This feels stifling and dull.
I have to say that I am hoping RLB or one of Nandy or Starmer says something interesting tonight. I'm aware that in a leadership election nobody wants to overreach and be the candidate with the ideas and therefore the one to be shot at by the others. But, when Corbyn won you could feel that he was setting the narrative and shifting the debate. This feels stifling and dull.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Ha. Brilliant watching this collection of tin-eared idiots fucking up royally on the trans issue (see Expelme on twitter). The calculation that leads them to supinely signing up to the list of trans-cult demands is (I presume) that they assume that the Labour Party membership is hugely "woke" and also signed up to this nonsense. It's classic bubble stuff though; most of the gender critical membership have kept their heads down because they can't face the shitstorm that erupts if you dare to say anything inside Labour, but the leadership issue is going to blow it into the open.
Labour really are fucked if they think they can take this to the doorsteps and there are thousands of members who know this. Madness, right up with the stupidest of the ultra left trot micro-cults.
Labour really are fucked if they think they can take this to the doorsteps and there are thousands of members who know this. Madness, right up with the stupidest of the ultra left trot micro-cults.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
lol either that or you are just in a tiny minority within the labour party. The gender hypocritical lot lost every debate, including in the womens sections, so dont try to pretend you were silenced. You just lost, very badly.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Ah you may well be right, I've had nothing to do with the internal debate, I found it impossible to summon up the enthusiasm for debating with the lunacy but it's certainly helped me give up my short-lived Labour Party membership. But it seems objectively fecking weird that all these wannabe PMs are signing their own political death warrants so eagerly. Hey ho.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
thats what Patricia Hewitt said when arguing against Labour supporting gay rights back in the eighties. Thankfully, she was completely and utterly wrong.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Leaps onto thread to declaim on a subject where they then admit they have no background knowledge to call everyone with a different perspective to them a cultist and/or opportunist.
Seriously co-op, take a look at your own behaviour here. If this was someone else doing the same thing on a different topic you'd be well in telling them they were behaving like an obsessive loon.
Seriously co-op, take a look at your own behaviour here. If this was someone else doing the same thing on a different topic you'd be well in telling them they were behaving like an obsessive loon.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I remember; I was one of the people campaigning for those rights. Self ID is no comparison of course but obviously that's not something you'd accept. But good luck with it all anyway.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
There is no general support for trans self-Id either in the population at large, nor in the Labour Party. Nor is there general antagonism. There has been no debate, no discussion and little attempt at either. That is the problem. Attempts at discussion are shut down and there is an all-too-ready resort to slogans and smears at the first opportunity.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I have a fuckton of "background knowledge" acquired over decades of experience in this field. But for sure I couldn't dispute any claims about what had happened about recent debates within the LP because I haven't taken part in them because I can't face the shit, like thousands of others. But now that it's up and in the open my guess is that it will be a real own goal for all the candidates and for Labour, based on the fact that open house self-ID is basically unsellable when people realise the logical consequences of it.
I guess I am being mischievous though; here's a great massive thread on the Labour leadership contest, here's the biggest issue to blow up in that contest in the last 2 days and no one says a thing here? It's fucking fascinating me, I must admit. Don't think your taboos will play in the wider world, seriously, they don't.
There's no real public debate or discussion on most issues, yet people still have an opinion - as they do here. The polling I've seen is pretty clear - there's zero mileage in any Labour leadership candidate coming out against trans rights in 2020.
it's because - outside of some very small circles - it didn't blow up.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
that's just not true with the LP. The debate has been had over several years and has, overwhelmingly, been conducted convivially and without rancour. The idea that any discussion is immediately 'shut down' is just a fib propounded by those who lost.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
If you're not a member and not involved in the debates you can't claim a "fuckton" of background knowledge, can you.
For you, because ironically you're the one working on bubble logic here. Which is why the way things keep turning out are counter to what you think should make sense. Most people don't give a fuck about trans issues one way or the other and the majority of those who do, in progressive circles, aren't "silenced" or "scared" or part of a cult — they just don't agree with you.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
They can want it all they like; nothing they can do about it going now.
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