Positives about the next Labour government

[Puddy_Tat]

Biggest positive I can think of is that they’ll be out after one term

and chances are an even more far-right tory government will get elected in 2028/9

 

[Silas Loom]

Biggest positive I can think of is that they’ll be out after one term

I don’t think that’s a given at all. Labour is heading for a landslide and the right is split at least three ways. I think and hope that Starmer can plan for two terms.

 

[two sheds]

and chances are an even more far-right tory government will get elected in 2028/9

delayed for 4/5 years then at least

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If they stick to their twin commitments to reduce the public debt and not to increase taxes on businesses/the wealthy, I can't see anything other than a more unequal society than ever before after the first Labour term. Wealth will flow upwards.

And I fear Starmer has an authoritarian streak, so plenty of Blair-like control measures in the name of being 'progressive'. Internationally, I fear he may be like Blair as well.

Sorry, no positives from me.

 

[weltweit]

I am afraid I find Starmer about the smuggest politician I have seen. If he is elected, which seems likely, I believe he will see it as a positive vote for him and become even more smug. Also if they have a plan, they are keeping it quiet.

 

[stavros]

Yes it would be nice to have to hate somebody different once in a while.

We've had five Prime Ministers in the last eight years, and yet some still aren't satisfied.

 

[Silas Loom]

I am afraid I find Starmer about the smuggest politician I have seen. If he is elected, which seems likely, I believe he will see it as a positive vote for him and become even more smug. Also if they have a plan, they are keeping it quiet.

This risible thing about “Starmer having no plan” is just a weak Sunak attack line against a shadow administration that is clearly and obviously refining policies for a manifesto and an immediate implement agenda. The time to launch the manifesto is when the election is called.

 

[redsquirrel]

I am afraid I find Starmer about the smuggest politician I have seen. If he is elected, which seems likely, I believe he will see it as a positive vote for him and become even more smug. Also if they have a plan, they are keeping it quiet.

Interesting he seems to shit and halting to be smug to me. Blair was smug in that he clearly thought he was entitled to everything, as much as he'd like to project that image Starmer to me comes across as someone trying to pretend to be something he isn't

 

[Wilf]

I think a starmer government will be so awful that the unions might start to reconsider their support for Labour. It's only a might and the FPTP system makes it very difficult to contemplate setting up or trying to replace an established party. But the question of 'why keep paying for someone to keep booting us in the head' will certainly be raised.

 

[Smangus]

I really thought the thread would be shorter than this

 

[Larry O'Hara]

They're not the Tories.
That's it.

Are you sure they aren’t?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This risible thing about “Starmer having no plan” is just a weak Sunak attack line against a shadow administration that is clearly and obviously refining policies for a manifesto and an immediate implement agenda. The time to launch the manifesto is when the election is called.

He has a plan. No higher taxes on the rich and reduce government borrowing.

In a sense, that is worse than the tories, who always talk about the importance of reducing govt borrowing but rarely actually do it.

*For clarity, I would like to see a commitment to increase taxes on the rich and to increase public borrowing (aka investment).

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I am afraid I find Starmer about the smuggest politician I have seen. If he is elected, which seems likely, I believe he will see it as a positive vote for him and become even more smug. Also if they have a plan, they are keeping it quiet.

They have a plan: total subservience to the City, continuing support for genocide. Thats it

 

[Larry O'Hara]

This risible thing about “Starmer having no plan” is just a weak Sunak attack line against a shadow administration that is clearly and obviously refining policies for a manifesto and an immediate implement agenda. The time to launch the manifesto is when the election is called.

Are you on something?

 

[Silas Loom]

He has a plan. No higher taxes on the rich and reduce government borrowing.

In a sense, that is worse than the tories, who always talk about the importance of reducing govt borrowing but rarely actually do it.

*For clarity, I would like to see a commitment to increase taxes on the rich and to increase public borrowing (aka investment).

Yes, I agree that he is being relatively honest about the constraints any incoming administration will face. I thought that weltweit was talking retail politics specifics.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Things will go from really shite to only just awful.

I think a Starmer government will actually do a lot of damage to the "perceived left" and just re-enforce the idea that (certainly in England) there aren't many realistic options for left/progressive voters, leading to more disengagement and voter apathy.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Yes, I agree that he is being relatively honest about the constraints any incoming administration will face. I thought that weltweit was talking retail politics specifics.

Starmer, honest? He has reneged on every single policy he used to con Labour members into voting for him. You must be on something

 

[Gromit]

The Conservatives have had years of practice to become expert at syphoning off the public purse into the pockets of them and their mates.

Labour will start off with amateur skills so we should in theory end up with slightly more public money making it to actual services.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Genuinely can't think of anything that Starmer is still even pretending he's going to improve. There can't ever have been a major party heading for a general election with so little to offer. And then you've got human sewage like Wes Streeting openly slagging off the NHS.

I'm really struggling to credit just how shit Starmer's labour party is. How have they got nothing at all right, in five years? How have they not said or done one single thing that resonates with the general public?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

'nothing better is possible - vote for us'

 

[newme]

'nothing better is possible - vote for us'

Seems to be the message but also true. If only because the alternative is worse.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Seems to be the message but also true. If only because the alternative is worse.

I'm not even sure of that any more.

 

[newme]

I really thought the thread would be shorter than this

Same and I said to vote tories out

 

[newme]

I'm not even sure of that any more.

Labour maybe the bland nothing government but they at least aren't actively destroying things. If only through incompetence. Some people obviously like that tho.

 

[redcogs]

What a distressing world we are become. Unmitigated gloom just about covers it.

 

[belboid]

Biggest positive I can think of is that they’ll be out after one term

the tories will continue to tear themselves apart a while longer yet. At least one more term, even less enthusiastically than this one.

 

[Sue]

such cynicism in one so young

'So young'? I'll take that.

 

[tommers]

There was some stuff about getting rid of zero hour contracts, fire and rehire, some other employment stuff.

The "green new deal" lost it's £28 billion a year promise, but there is still some stuff in there maybe.

But.. you know. I have no faith they will do any of it.

 

[_Russ_]

I hang on to a tiny hope that once in power the left in the party have only being biting their lips to get in power and will feel secure enough to rise up and kick out the imposters.
Unrealistic I know but its the only hope I can find

 

[Sue]

*For clarity, I would like to see a commitment to increase taxes on the rich and to increase public borrowing (aka investment).

Worse than Hitler thread thataway=>.