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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Who will replace Corbyn?

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friendofdorothy said:
Can't remember what happened last time. The union may be backing RLB, but don't we get our own individual vote anyway?
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yes.

the current stage is about unions / local parties / other affiliated organisations deciding who to give formal nomination / support to, and most unions are balloting their members on this (i think it depends on the rules of each union whether they do this or if existing elected committee or whatever can decide.) if candidates don't get enough support at this stage, they don't go through to the members' ballot.

Tuesday 7 January: Nominations open from MPs and MEPs.
Monday 13 January: Nominations from MPs and MEPs close at 2.30pm.
Tuesday 14 January: Registered supporters applications open at 5pm.
Thursday 16 January: Registered supporters’ applications close at 5pm.
Wednesday 15 January: Second stage of nominations from constituency Labour parties and affiliates opens.
Monday 20 January: Freeze date for eligibility for new members and affiliated supporters. Closes at 5pm.
Friday 14 February: Close of CLP and affiliate nominations.
Friday 21 February: Ballot opens.
Thursday 2 April: Ballot closes at 12pm.
Saturday 4 April: Special conference to announce results.

from here
 
friendofdorothy said:
My union unite are asking my opinion, but apart from thinking RLB is daft I haven't even heard of any of the any of the potential duputies. Any one got an opinion to spare?



oryx any guidance?
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RLB is being seen as the continuity Corbyn candidate but I've admired her for some time and think she's much more than that- a very able politician IMVHO, who's come from a genuinely working class background and got where she is through merit and talent. Look up the Labour Green New Deal. I am backing her. I think Labour should keep John McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor but if they don't, RLB would make an excellent one - experience and attention to detail. She also supports internal democracy within the LP - reselection of sitting MPs so those who do not represent the views of the membership can be deselected and not have a job for life if in a safe seat. AFAIK, the others don't.

Starmer - as someone above said, Ed Milliband with a knighthood. Has a dodgy voting record on e.g. welfare benefits and criticisms of his time as Director of Public Prosecutions. Having said that I think he is able and if Labour had been in power during Brexit negotiations, I would have had confidence in him to work constructively with the EU and achieve a good deal. He is the big favourite AFAIK, but look at what happened with Corbyn.

Nandy - been impressed with her media performances but think she is a centrist. I would be happy for her to be leader.

Thornberry - I like her, she is a strong and articulate media etc. performer and I think she's sharp and highly intelligent - however she is likely to drop out due to lack of support. I hope she continues to hold a prominent post in future shadow cabinets. In short - not a contender for the leadership.

I don't dislike any of the contenders (now Jess Phillips has bowed out!) and will support whoever wins.

Deputy - I like Burgon as he seems honest, upfront, passionate and avowedly socialist. I sometimes look at his Twitter as I used to live in his constituency, and he seems to be an excellent and well-liked constituency MP. Can't really understand the dislike on here.

Butler and Rayner would be very good deputies also.

IMHO, forget the other two deputy leadership candidates.

The two really important factors are being able to hold Johnson, who in the light of the Javid situation is already a worrying PM (if he wasn't already!), and his cronies to account, and to unite the party especially in terms of the Leader and Deputy Leader working together constructively. The latter situation was a dog's breakfast under the last leadership due to Watson's disloyalty. I think any combination of the leadership and deputy leadership candidates will be way better than this. They have to be, and they will be.

That's my two pennyworth. Interested to know why you think RLB is daft though...
 
That's a pretty fair analysis, oryx :) -- all of them have got drawbacks, some serious :(.

Bur frankly I can live with anyone who'll give Johnson and the govt something resembling a tough time.

I find it very hard to like Long Bailey though, she's come over very porrly in nearly all her public statements to me (admittedly I've only seen TV versions or newspaper reports :oops: -- she might be better in a public meeting?? :confused: )

I know Starmer and Nandy are both centrist/centre-inclined, but they both strike me as more confident and competent. And after recent omnishambles ;), I'd have a lot of time for Seamus Milne-free competence ....

(Not voting, not an LP member, not a union affiliate either (PCS) -- just saying :) )
 
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Not entitled to vote. But of the three I would end up voting for Nandy.
None of them have a solution to the ongoing brexit crisis it seems to me, but then again neither has the Government.
 
I get a vote. Might not bother though, dunno who to vote for. Can't swallow RLB, don't really know why, I voted corbyn twice, just find it unappetising. Only other contender for me is nandy but I think she's ultimately just a soft left type and don't think I could live with myself being a part of that in some small way. Might finally get round to opting out of political fund.
 
Proper Tidy said:
I get a vote. Might not bother though, dunno who to vote for. Can't swallow RLB, don't really know why, I voted corbyn twice, just find it unappetising. Only other contender for me is nandy but I think she's ultimately just a soft left type and don't think I could live with myself being a part of that in some small way. Might finally get round to opting out of political fund.
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I feel where you're coming from, except on Nandy who I'm not at all impressed by. My own view is tainted by the "left winger" Kinnock being elected leader in 1983 and the decade he spent pushing Labour to the right. The number of good people who got sucked into Blairism was depressing enough, but seeing those who hunkered down in their little niches was in a way worse. I just don't have time for it anymore.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
I’m voting for Rayner. No doubts. Burgon came to speak to us in Brum last week and I really liked him tbf but Rayner’s class background and her understanding of the alienation of WC people is important.

I’m struggling for leader as I don’t like any of them. But Starmer will get fuck all from me
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Rayner getting a pass on the Welfare Bill, ok, but then all must get to move on.
 
William of Walworth said:
I find it very hard to like Long Bailey though, she's come over very porrly in nearly all her public statements to me (admittedly I've only seen TV versions or newsopaper reports :oops: -- she might be better in a public meeting?? :confused: )
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She did an event very near me and I was extremely tempted to go but didn't as it was very popular and I had a lot on that day and didn't want to bail at the last minute thus denying someone else a ticket.

Reports back were extremely positive - has a clear vision, natural speaker who speaks to her audience, rooted, honest, personable etc.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
I’m voting for Rayner. No doubts. Burgon came to speak to us in Brum last week and I really liked him tbf but Rayner’s class background and her understanding of the alienation of WC people is important.

I’m struggling for leader as I don’t like any of them. But Starmer will get fuck all from me
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The only doubt I have about Rayner is the question over whether shes is strong enough to put her foot down as Deputy and marshall whats left of the left to address that very issue .
 
oryx said:
She did an event very near me and I was extremely tempted to go but didn't as it was very popular and I had a lot on that day and didn't want to bail at the last minute thus denying someone else a ticket.

Reports back were extremely positive - has a clear vision, natural speaker who speaks to her audience, rooted, honest, personable etc.
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Alright its a campaign video and its made by Momentum but she comes across quite well here

 
RLB should've asked the couple for their solution to the Irish border issue. When they (possibly) say they don't know, RLB could say she doesn't know either, but not breaking the GFA is a priority so there will have to be a customs union with all that implies.
They are supposed to know what they voted for.
 
philosophical said:
RLB should've asked the couple for their solution to the Irish border issue. When they (possibly) say they don't know, RLB could say she doesn't know either, but not breaking the GFA is a priority so there will have to be a customs union with all that implies.
They are supposed to know what they voted for.
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its been solved, border down the Irish sea
 
I was unfair to Long-Bailey in my post on the last page, but no more unfair than the electorate would be to her and infinitely fairer than the right of the party and the conservative media machine will be if she becomes leader.

I want her to be a great Labour leader. I want Labour's 2019 manifesto implemented in full tomorrow. On the evidence I've seen so far they're as likely to happen as each other. She might be a lovely person with great politics, but if that doesn't come across when she's on voters' TV it's meaningless. And so far it hasn't. She always looks like she's trying to remember her script, which is a sure way to lose public trust. I can see her being like Corbyn all over again - supporters prepared to overlook shortcomings, voters less so. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she's still just finding her feet. But I've been following this contest for 2 months now and I haven't seen anything to convince me of her.

Nandy is much better on presentation, but I don't trust the direction of her politics. She's soft left at present but whoever wins will be setting off on a political journey over the coming years, with events and various groups of people pulling or pushing at their politics. I can see Nandy getting dragged to the right.

Starmer I can see being heralded as a fantastic leader within Westminster bubble and then hitting the rocks come the next election.

There's two parts to being a Labour leader. They need to get elected and then they need to implement at least a social democratic program. I'm sure these aren't mutually exclusive, but I can't see any of the people in this contest managing both.
 
Spandex said:
I'm sure these aren't mutually exclusive, but I can't see any of the people in this contest managing both.
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I can't see any of the people in this contest winning an election
therefore may as well vote for the one that keeps the political direction on track
 
The39thStep said:
Alright its a campaign video and its made by Momentum but she comes across quite well here

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I think she mostly comes across well. She’s smiley and natural with it. The trouble is trying to break that positive personality through more widely when she’s carrying the curse of Corbyn.

I think whoever wins should be on an effective couple of years’ probation. If they cannot really gain ground and perform they should give way without their support getting entrenched. Goes for any of the three remaining.
 
philosophical said:
RLB should've asked the couple for their solution to the Irish border issue. When they (possibly) say they don't know, RLB could say she doesn't know either, but not breaking the GFA is a priority so there will have to be a customs union with all that implies.
They are supposed to know what they voted for.
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Thank you
 
Keir Starmer sounds like a budget car
Rebecca Long-Bailey sounds like a castle design
Lisa "Cheeky" Nandy sounds like, well, Nando's

For this reason none will win a GE as Labour Leader
 
Nandy is a fucking disaster zone. Patronising, repeating and agreeing with every right - wing criticism, utterly craven, will go nowhere if she wins. Starmer no better. Long-Bailey or bust for me.
 
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