Who will be the next Labour leader?

[xenon]

I've just had a cake with Tom Watson.

I just thought you'd like to know that...

What kind of cake?

 

[Proper Tidy]

Genuinely though, tom watson is an awful man, truly a prick

 

[redsquirrel]

Genuinely though, tom watson is an awful man, truly a prick

Irrelevant but me and my brother thought we saw him once in the People's History Museum. You're right though massive twat.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The only doubt I have about Rayner is the question over whether shes is strong enough to put her foot down as Deputy and marshall whats left of the left to address that very issue .

I don’t know. But she’s the only candidate I’ve seen who even gets it. That RLB video you posted being a classic case in point. It’s not just Brexit. It’s not just immigration. It’s a deep and embedded alienation that have developed over 40 years

 

[kebabking]

What kind of cake?

i had an excellent bread pudding.

 

[friendofdorothy]

That's my two pennyworth. Interested to know why you think RLB is daft though...

Thank you for your full and thoughtful answer. I really don't know much about any of the candates as since the referendum I've been cutting down on the amount of politics I read/ view for the sake of my own mental health.

The only think I remember about RLB is that she gave Corbyn 10/10. That why I though she must be daft or deaf to the electorate.

As Mr Moose said

she’s carrying the curse of Corbyn.

I liked Corbyn and I voted for him - but after losing 2 elections no one should say he was a sucessful leader. Areas that had been labour through and through voted for the toffs rather than labour. I don't want a leader who is popular only with LP spporters - I'd like one who can rid this country of the fucking tories.

 

[oryx]

since the referendum I've been cutting down on the amount of politics I read/ view for the sake of my own mental health.

I know that feeling!

 

[The39thStep]

I don’t know. But she’s the only candidate I’ve seen who even gets it. That RLB video you posted being a classic case in point. It’s not just Brexit. It’s not just immigration. It’s a deep and embedded alienation that have developed over 40 years

Rayner would have been better with that couple.Starmer wouldnt have got anywhere near them and Nandy would have come across a social worky type, doubt if they'd have even attended if Thornbury had been their MP

 

[philosophical]

its been solved, border down the Irish sea

Yep for now. It does mean brexit as voted for hasn't happened and is unlikely to. RLB should've asked those brexit voters about that.

 

[andysays]

Interesting position from RLB on Scottish independence

Labour leadership hustings: Party 'can't win' without success in Scotland

All three MPs agreed that the party had to win in Scotland to win back power. However, Ms Long-Bailey was the only one to explicitly state she would agree to a fresh ballot on independence. She insisted her party must not "fall into the trap" again of working with the Tories to try to keep Scotland in the UK.

 

[SpookyFrank]

only options are RLB or abstain IMO.Anything else is classic "dont vote it just encourages them".

RLB keeps letting the side down. This time it's talking about 'aspirational' people as distinct from those who have suffered under austerity. Because poverty is caused by lack of aspiration. Eugh, no thanks.

 

[ska invita]

RLB keeps letting the side down. This time it's talking about 'aspirational' people as distinct from those who have suffered under austerity. Because poverty is caused by lack of aspiration. Eugh, no thanks.

I'm not paying attention tbh, that sounds shit, but it wouldn't be a vote for her, it would be an anti retreat to the right vote. Or don't vote.
I don't have a vote anyway, just putting 2p in the meter

 

[andysays]

RLB keeps letting the side down. This time it's talking about 'aspirational' people as distinct from those who have suffered under austerity. Because poverty is caused by lack of aspiration. Eugh, no thanks.

I believe it's considered good form when making an assertion like this to provide a link to whatever you're talking about so we can judge for ourselves...

 

[kebabking]

.... RLB should've asked those brexit voters about that.

Have you considered putting your name forward for the Tin-eared Political Fuckwit of the Millennium Award?

Its a wide field, but you are a stand out candidate...

 

[Proper Tidy]

In fairness on the aspirational thing I think it's a mix of trying to frame stuff in different language to counteract the idea that labour don't speak to w/c people who aren't in crisis or consider themselves to be struggling, and an intent to reframe aspirational itself as a collective not an individual thing. Have heard her talk a few times about getting us all better off etc, ie rise together.

Not remotely enthusiastic about her but I don't think her using aspirational in the way she has should be a red line type of thing

 

[SpookyFrank]

In fairness on the aspirational thing I think it's a mix of trying to frame stuff in different language to counteract the idea that labour don't speak to w/c people who aren't in crisis or consider themselves to be struggling, and an intent to reframe aspirational itself as a collective not an individual thing. Have heard her talk a few times about getting us all better off etc, ie rise together.

Not remotely enthusiastic about her but I don't think her using aspirational in the way she has should be a red line type of thing

The way that word is used, as a handy way to avoid saying 'middle class' when that's actually what you mean, makes it impossible to rehabilitate IMO. You can try and argue a semantic point about what aspiration should actually mean or you can talk about something interesting, but you can't do both IMO.

 

[Proper Tidy]

The way that word is used, as a handy way to avoid saying 'middle class' when that's actually what you mean, makes it impossible to rehabilitate IMO. You can try and argue a semantic point about what aspiration should actually mean or you can talk about something interesting, but you can't do both IMO.

Yeah I don't think it's a helpful term, not disagreeing, I just think in this instance it's a clumsy attempt at addressing a criticism not a dog whistle indicating a rightward shift

 

[philosophical]

Have you considered putting your name forward for the Tin-eared Political Fuckwit of the Millennium Award?

Its a wide field, but you are a stand out candidate...

Brilliant. I have never won an award, so to get one for continually challenging the notion that brexit has happened, and continually asking about, and highlighting the unresolved issue of the post 'brexit' Irish Border is special.
Who would have thought it?
Fantastic, thank you so much for the interest you show.

 

[Supine]

Brilliant. I have never won an award, so to get one for continually challenging the notion that brexit has happened, and continually asking about, and highlighting the unresolved issue of the post 'brexit' Irish Border is special.
Who would have thought it?
Fantastic, thank you so much for the interest you show.

you know the border issue got sorted don’t you?

 

[philosophical]

you know the border issue got sorted don’t you?

Really?
I thought that there is now a transition period in order to try to sort it out in the future.

 

[Supine]

Really?
I thought that there is now a transition period in order to try to sort it out in the future.

LOL. Are you a parody account or something?

 

[19sixtysix]

Nandy carrying on where Blair left off in Scotland.

Scot Lab council leader hits out at Lisa Nandy campaign after unannounced North Ayrshire visit

www.theredrobin.scot

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Yeah I don't think it's a helpful term, not disagreeing, I just think in this instance it's a clumsy attempt at addressing a criticism not a dog whistle indicating a rightward shift

Her team have obviously taken to heart the criticism that Labour didn’t understand or speak to the aspirational working class. RLB has clearly been briefed to talk about this. But the way she does, in fact, does suggest that Labour and left genuinely don’t get it

 

[philosophical]

LOL. Are you a parody account or something?

Yes I know it is the Guardian, but this report suggests the issue is not sorted.

Brexit: Irish border issue could land UK in court, report finds

Northern Ireland customs plans could take five years to implement, IfG says

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mr Moose]

RLB keeps letting the side down. This time it's talking about 'aspirational' people as distinct from those who have suffered under austerity. Because poverty is caused by lack of aspiration. Eugh, no thanks.

Sorry, but that’s simply not what she is saying.

But in any case lack of any aspiration is a poverty. It’s not a good thing.

 

[two sheds]

RLB is being seen as the continuity Corbyn candidate but I've admired her for some time and think she's much more than that- a very able politician IMVHO, who's come from a genuinely working class background and got where she is through merit and talent. Look up the Labour Green New Deal. I am backing her. I think Labour should keep John McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor but if they don't, RLB would make an excellent one - experience and attention to detail. She also supports internal democracy within the LP - reselection of sitting MPs so those who do not represent the views of the membership can be deselected and not have a job for life if in a safe seat. AFAIK, the others don't.

Starmer - as someone above said, Ed Milliband with a knighthood. Has a dodgy voting record on e.g. welfare benefits and criticisms of his time as Director of Public Prosecutions. Having said that I think he is able and if Labour had been in power during Brexit negotiations, I would have had confidence in him to work constructively with the EU and achieve a good deal. He is the big favourite AFAIK, but look at what happened with Corbyn.

Nandy - been impressed with her media performances but think she is a centrist. I would be happy for her to be leader.

Thornberry - I like her, she is a strong and articulate media etc. performer and I think she's sharp and highly intelligent - however she is likely to drop out due to lack of support. I hope she continues to hold a prominent post in future shadow cabinets. In short - not a contender for the leadership.

I don't dislike any of the contenders (now Jess Phillips has bowed out!) and will support whoever wins.

Deputy - I like Burgon as he seems honest, upfront, passionate and avowedly socialist. I sometimes look at his Twitter as I used to live in his constituency, and he seems to be an excellent and well-liked constituency MP. Can't really understand the dislike on here.

Butler and Rayner would be very good deputies also.

IMHO, forget the other two deputy leadership candidates.

The two really important factors are being able to hold Johnson, who in the light of the Javid situation is already a worrying PM (if he wasn't already!), and his cronies to account, and to unite the party especially in terms of the Leader and Deputy Leader working together constructively. The latter situation was a dog's breakfast under the last leadership due to Watson's disloyalty. I think any combination of the leadership and deputy leadership candidates will be way better than this. They have to be, and they will be.

That's my two pennyworth. Interested to know why you think RLB is daft though...

Ta for that. RBS (yes I know) and Burgon are the Unite recommendations too

 

[redsquirrel]

What is this RBS thing?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

What is this RBS thing?

Royal Bank of Scotland innit.

 

[kebabking]

Tenbury Well, on the Worcestershire-Shropshire border, has flooded.


RED warning - immediate danger to life - issued by Met Office/NRW for the Valleys area of South Wales: Merthyr Tydfil to Cardiff, Monmouth to Neath.

E2A: tits, wrong thread....

 

[redsquirrel]

I liked Corbyn and I voted for him - but after losing 2 elections no one should say he was a sucessful leader. Areas that had been labour through and through voted for the toffs rather than labour. I don't want a leader who is popular only with LP spporters - I'd like one who can rid this country of the fucking tories.

So who were these "successful" Labour leaders?

The number of people who lambasted New Labour now employing the same arguments.