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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Who will replace Corbyn?

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The39thStep said:
The Tories are quite clear that the Northern working classes 'lent' them their votes, they are determined to try and keep them so the video is just a small shot in that campaign. Yes it slurs Labour as anti business, anti get up and go but the reality is Labour got a kicking and the Tories are going to kick them when they are down.
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The broadcast is, given the last ten years, horrific myth-making, but unfortunately it’s a myth that may endure for quite a while.
 
The idea the tories seem to have that they can now pivot to cultivating a solid working class base in trad labour areas is a nonsense anyway, as much as a nonsense as it would be for labour to do the same in affluent trad tory areas. A time and a place sure, in way that new lab were able to - due to context of a deeply unpopular tory party that had lost its way politically - and in way tories have benefitted from due to current context of brexit, but long term, nah.

People aren't idiots, even those I know currently backing tories maintain this alongside knowledge that tories aren't for them, don't represent their interests. Might be contradictory but isn't lots of stuff, that instinctive anti toryism hasn't gone away and won't.

Let them throw their energy at it for a bit, in a couple of years it will all have been pissed away anyway.
 
Proper Tidy said:
The idea the tories seem to have that they can now pivot to cultivating a solid working class base in trad labour areas is a nonsense anyway, as much as a nonsense as it would be for labour to do the same in affluent trad tory areas. A time and a place sure, in way that new lab were able to - due to context of a deeply unpopular tory party that had lost its way politically - and in way tories have benefitted from due to current context of brexit, but long term, nah.

People aren't idiots, even those I know currently backing tories maintain this alongside knowledge that tories aren't for them, don't represent their interests. Might be contradictory but isn't lots of stuff, that instinctive anti toryism hasn't gone away and won't.

Let them throw their energy at it for a bit, in a couple of years it will all have been pissed away anyway.
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So you're saying that these areas will come back to Labour? I think you are right about the feeling of Tories arent for them but I also think that theres a equally as large feeling labour arent for them as well.
 
SpookyFrank said:
I know there are days when... I do get overcome by rage at the legions of reactionary dullards of all classes and regions who have allowed this to happen.
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It's unhealthy to bottle up all that rage. Sometimes you gotta let it out, express yourself, feed the beast. And where better to vent than under the cloak of pseudonymity on a left leaning message? Sure, it might also piss off some of the more humourless drones on here like SmokedandStreamed (or whatever the fuck he's called) but that makes it all the more exquisite.
 
The39thStep said:
So you're saying that these areas will come back to Labour? I think you are right about the feeling of Tories arent for them but I also think that theres a equally as large feeling labour arent for them as well.
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I don't think it's as clean as saying they will all return to labour, maybe they will, some will. Labour's long term fracture from its working class base is something else, all I am saying is that whatever vacuum that leaves won't and can't be filled by tories on a consistent basis
 
Smokeandsteam said:
He did, not sure why, but Birmingham momentum supported Salma Yaqoob.

ETA: so did Momentum nationally:
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I think it's a mistake to think Momentum have that much influence on the party, especially for these kinds of elections where they've struggled a lot - and a Mcdonnell endorsement would go way further than momentum support with the majority of the left-leaning members.
 
Didn't catch the whole interview with Peston last night. But Long Bailey seemed quite dismissive about Labour engaging with the working classes.
 
killer b said:
I think it's a mistake to think Momentum have that much influence on the party, especially for these kinds of elections where they've struggled a lot - and a Mcdonnell endorsement would go way further than momentum support with the majority of the left-leaning members.
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Fair enough. But the backing of Unite here is normally a decisive one. In this instance thought the nomination was late and after it looked like the region was going for Pete Lowe
 
Sasaferrato said:
So where do they go then?
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It’s a good question . I don’t know tbh . The Labour vote in some of those places has been declining for decades under Blair, Brown , Milliband and Corbyn . It’s been a gradual erosion and then a final collapse . Local activism might persuade a few to go back, Labour leadership change might , an agenda for the north might but personally I think it’s a long climb back for Labour and it’s an even longer climb back for those deindustrialised areas.
if the Tories mean what they say then they will make a pitch to retain some of those votes .
 
sleaterkinney said:
And why not, she's the ex -leader of respect with a few choice words on Rothschild bankers to boot!.
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anything beyond the single tweet for which she apologised at the time? The article in question also said all muslims are terrorists and that Obama was a muslim, so it seems rather unlikely that she'd actually read the thing properly.
 
The39thStep said:
It’s a good question . I don’t know tbh . The Labour vote in some of those places has been declining for decades under Blair, Brown , Milliband and Corbyn . It’s been a gradual erosion and then a final collapse . Local activism might persuade a few to go back, Labour leadership change might , an agenda for the north might but personally I think it’s a long climb back for Labour and it’s an even longer climb back for those deindustrialised areas.
if the Tories mean what they say then they will make a pitch to retain some of those votes .
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I think, with caveat that as you say something could change the course, it's likely we'll see even lower turnout
 
It looks like Long Bailey has fallen to 4th, behind Thornberry...https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rebecca-longbailey-labour-leadership-standard-poll-ipsos-mori-a4355286.html
 
belboid said:
anything beyond the single tweet for which she apologised at the time? The article in question also said all muslims are terrorists and that Obama was a muslim, so it seems rather unlikely that she'd actually read the thing properly.
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She also called Israelis pigs, but she apologised for that as well.
 
hash tag said:
It looks like Long Bailey has fallen to 4th, behind Thornberry...https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rebecca-longbailey-labour-leadership-standard-poll-ipsos-mori-a4355286.html
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Fourth with the general public that is, not Labour members.

But it’s not a good sign for her ability to cut through.

Corbyn seems to have frustrated his succession (among other consequences) by hanging around too long.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Surprising result in the nomination for Labour West Midlands Mayoral candidate. Not just because of Liam Byrne’s career but also because Pete Lowe and Salma Yacoob both had union backing and momentum support in the case of the latter:

labourlist.org

Liam Byrne wins Labour's West Midlands metro mayor selection race - LabourList

Liam Byrne, MP for Birmingham Hodge Hill and former Chief Secretary to the Treasury, has been selected as…
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Apparently he has recanted on his role in the welfare reforms.
 
Mr Moose said:
Fourth with the general public that is, not Labour members.

But it’s not a good sign for her ability to cut through.

Corbyn seems to have frustrated his succession (among other consequences) by hanging around too long.
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Corbynism was a hotch poch alliance , meant everything to everybody and with the exception of Momentums dubious politics leaves very little trace.
 
He promised to end inequality in the West Midlands, warning it was becoming “a tale of two cities”, with skyscrapers being built as people slept rough.


“There are cranes in our skies. But our homeless neighbours are sleeping in the doorways beneath, where someone now dies every fortnight,” he said in his manifesto, pledging to end “the moral emergency of homelessness, hungry families and cuts to disability benefit”.
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Recantation here definetely
 
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