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Are they? Even when they have voted Labour in the past? Even when they are union members?
There's a not insignificant number of people who became scabs in 2019.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
If Labour dont win - and they probably won’t- it’ll be because none of the candidates are scummy enough for the British public who just returned a huge landslide for some of the most repulsive mob of charlatans ever elected to these shores. The scabs and scum who voted for the Boris regime are not worthy to lick RLB’s boots.
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Don't know where to start with this, it's certainly a puzzle. A veritable riddle within a very angry enigma.
 
There isn't a solution, but seeing all the bile that's levelled on here at people from all other political persuasions, it's a bit odd that it's tory voters we're not allowed to call scum. I don't think Jeff is planning on heading down his local estate with a 'TORY BASTARDS COME AND FIGHT ME' placard. He's just posting grumpily on a forum full of other grumpy people. Chill out.
 
I don’t think anyone here (or anywhere) takes Jeff particularly seriously.

The weird misanthropy and entitlement Jeff Robinson is demonstrating is part of what’s gone wrong (Has always been wrong?) with the Labour Party/The Left.
 
killer b said:
There isn't a solution, but seeing all the bile that's levelled on here at people from all other political persuasions, it's a bit odd that it's tory voters we're not allowed to call scum. I don't think Jeff is planning on heading down his local estate with a 'TORY BASTARDS COME AND FIGHT ME' placard. He's just posting grumpily on a forum full of other grumpy people. Chill out.
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Yeah, but even within the parameters of what urban is, what we chat about, what we hurl around, he's still talking bollocks.
 
redsquirrel said:
Do you have any politics beyond this weird horrible misanthropy you've retreated into. IMO accusations of ideological purity are usually an excuse to dismiss real political differences and an attempt to enforce a false unity. But in your case you really do seem to have been sucked into a whirlpool of ideological purity - those that vote Tory are scum, the right wing of the LP are scum, those to the left of the LP are wrong/fools.

How do you actually see your political desires been brought about when most of humanity is scum and/or fools?
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Just to give you the most playful of pokes Squirrel, you would seem to be the last one to give us a rendition of ‘Ebony and Ivory’ given that your own definition of scum or fools seems to be quite broad.

For what it’s worth, not disagreeing with your general point, just finding it mildly amusing.
 
killer b said:
There isn't a solution, but seeing all the bile that's levelled on here at people from all other political persuasions, it's a bit odd that it's tory voters we're not allowed to call scum. I don't think Jeff is planning on heading down his local estate with a 'TORY BASTARDS COME AND FIGHT ME' placard. He's just posting grumpily on a forum full of other grumpy people. Chill out.
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I've no problem with the odd rhetorical rant about political persuasions. I'll admit I've done plenty of my own in the past.

But I'm not just been grumpy with Jeff Robinson. I am genuinely confused about how someone who IMO used to have some real politics, someone who I respected even if I didn't agree with seems to have moved to a position that is so incoherent. I'd actually like to understand how Jeff comprehends his politics now, on what he bases his action on. Has he completely rejected any class politics? Does he still consider himself a socialist? How does he marry these two?

His posts, not just since the election, but even before that seem to me to have headed down a sort of individualistic dead end - (particular sets of) voters responsible for the actions of governments, non-voters responsible for "fascists", etc. Maybe I'm wrong (I hope I am) and he's just having a good rant, but I'm not sure.

EDIT: Reading back my previous post I think it comes across as more personal than I intended it to, so apologises it you felt it was Jeff Robinson. Like I say I really would like to understand your logic because I would like to think there is still some sort of connection between our politics
 
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There has just been a Conservative Party broadcast on the BBC (why now?) and in it some random Northerner goes on about how he grew up thinking Labour had to be the Party for him, but that didn’t chime with his desire to have his own business, so he voted Tory and if Boris was there he would say ‘thank you’ to him.

Frankly, enough of Jeff and his easy going approach, shooting is too good for some people.:)
 
redsquirrel said:
I've no problem with the odd rhetorical rant about political persuasions. I'll admit I've done plenty of my own in the past.

But I'm not just been grumpy with Jeff Robinson. I am genuinely confused about how someone who IMO used to have some real politics, someone who I respected even if I didn't agree with seems to have moved to a position that is so incoherent. I'd actually like to understand how Jeff comprehends his politics now, on what he bases his action on. Has he completely rejected any class politics? Does he still consider himself a socialist? How does he marry these two?

His posts, not just since the election, but even before that seem to me to have headed down a sort of individualistic dead end - (particular sets of) voters responsible for the actions of governments, non-voters responsible for "fascists", etc. Maybe I'm wrong (I hope I am) and he's just having a good rant, but I'm not sure.

EDIT: Reading back my previous post I think it comes across as more personal than I intended it to, so apologises it you felt it was Jeff Robinson. Like I say I really would like to understand your logic because I would like to think there is still some sort of connection between our politics
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No need to apologise, all your posts are perfectly reasonable and polite. But I don’t mean to be too negative, there are lots of things I like about them as well! I’ll get back to you on the substance in the next few days.
 
Ok, still not positive, worth bringing up on the hustings, etc.
Mr Moose said:
There has just been a Conservative Party broadcast on the BBC (why now?) and in it some random Northerner goes on about how he grew up thinking Labour had to be the Party for him, but that didn’t chime with his desire to have his own business, so he voted Tory and if Boris was there he would say ‘thank you’ to him.

Frankly, enough of Jeff and his easy going approach, shooting is too good for some people.:)
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Next election campaign has started, plus May elections
 
Next Labour leader has a big job on.
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 49% (-)
LAB: 30% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (-2)
GRN: 5% (+1)
BREX: 2% (-)

via @YouGov, 31 Jan - 02 Feb
Chgs. w/ 26 Jan
 
redsquirrel said:
I've no problem with the odd rhetorical rant about political persuasions. I'll admit I've done plenty of my own in the past.

But I'm not just been grumpy with Jeff Robinson. I am genuinely confused about how someone who IMO used to have some real politics, someone who I respected even if I didn't agree with seems to have moved to a position that is so incoherent. I'd actually like to understand how Jeff comprehends his politics now, on what he bases his action on. Has he completely rejected any class politics? Does he still consider himself a socialist? How does he marry these two?

His posts, not just since the election, but even before that seem to me to have headed down a sort of individualistic dead end - (particular sets of) voters responsible for the actions of governments, non-voters responsible for "fascists", etc. Maybe I'm wrong (I hope I am) and he's just having a good rant, but I'm not sure.

EDIT: Reading back my previous post I think it comes across as more personal than I intended it to, so apologises it you felt it was Jeff Robinson. Like I say I really would like to understand your logic because I would like to think there is still some sort of connection between our politics
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I can't speak for Jeff but I know there are days when I'm reminded of the abject mess we're in with the prospect of at least another five years of an even more demented tory government than the previous however many, with no coalitions or fingernail majorities holding them back, and I do get overcome by rage at the legions of reactionary dullards of all classes and regions who have allowed this to happen.

I generally keep it to myself though, because I know it's not helpful. If we lose faith in ordinary people then not only will our everyday lives become unliveable but, well, we might as well just join in with the biggest group of people-haters around and become tories.
 
Mr Moose said:
Next Labour leader has a big job on.
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 49% (-)
LAB: 30% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (-2)
The GRN: 5% (+1)
BREX: 2% (-)

via @YouGov, 31 Jan - 02 Feb
Chgs. w/ 26 Jan
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Undeniably, but this type of post Tory-victory polling is neither surprising of unprecedented.

The Tories polling 6 points ahead of their 42.4% share of the popular vote in the GE is no real surprise, given that they've 'got Brexit done' and ensured that any other policy discussion has been focused on spending.

The 19 point lead is large, but previous polling patterns suggest that the post GE few months often equate to peak incumbent support.

At least this time, (unlike say 1984) there's no significant '3rd party' pushing Lab into 3rd place in the polling.

But this is prob best left to the polling thread...apols for derail.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
When was the last time the Tories were polling almost 50%? Peak Thatcher?
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Possibly. Their broadcast last night felt very much like a post war victory lap.

I mostly posted it for a mild laugh. It may have little bearing on where we are even by the next Council Elections. And depressing as it is, it’s nice to see the Libs disappearing down the plug hole.
 
It's pretty standard for a new government to get improved polls isn't it - people think 'give them a chance' and they haven't had time to really fuck things up yet. Even Theresa May got good ratings initially, before she blew it by trying to say or do things. When you add on that no-one has any idea what Labour will be doing in even a few months a poll like that isn't surprising, I don't think it really tells you anything much.
 
Mr Moose said:
There has just been a Conservative Party broadcast on the BBC (why now?) and in it some random Northerner goes on about how he grew up thinking Labour had to be the Party for him, but that didn’t chime with his desire to have his own business, so he voted Tory and if Boris was there he would say ‘thank you’ to him.

Frankly, enough of Jeff and his easy going approach, shooting is too good for some people.:)
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The Tories are quite clear that the Northern working classes 'lent' them their votes, they are determined to try and keep them so the video is just a small shot in that campaign. Yes it slurs Labour as anti business, anti get up and go but the reality is Labour got a kicking and the Tories are going to kick them when they are down.
 
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