imposs1904
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Nah, the chandelier scene was funnier.
Who will be the next Labour leader?
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Nah, the chandelier scene was funnier.
24% for the traitor Macdonald, do they know anything about him, the Means Tests, etc?
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Can't imagine Starmer being much good at PMQs. I've met echinoderms with more backbone.
Over 100,000 malicious calls to the benefit fraud hotline very year, lots of curtain twitching there, but very little challenge.
Nah, the Chandelier one
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If we're all so dreadful then why not, and this just an example of one of the many exciting options available to you, why not fuck off?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The spectacle of an utter no-mark like yourself denouncing as a traitor one of the (by no means unflawed) giants of working class and social-democratic politics is perhaps in indicator of the achievement of Societal Peak Lunacy.
the poll doesn't really try to compare the leaders anyway - it just asked whether the respondent had a positive or negative view of each of them.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
No I meant the debate on this thread
which seems to have been launched from a total misreading of the poll.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I may be thick, but think I've got a better grasp of irony than you.
Who's the we here? Humanity? Where am I supposed to fuck off to? Mars? Or were you suggesting suicide?
Cmon, then, genuinely interested, defend this flawed hero of yours...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wonder what candidates views on this are going to be Joe Anderson refuses to carryout anymore government cuts
Keir Starmer: Labour should argue for return of free movement
Leadership frontrunner says party has to make the case for benefits of migration
Both Starmer and Nandy now calling for rtn of FOM
I hope that happens here now that the appalling Julie Dore is standing down as leader.
andysays
Love and solidarity
To be clear, that article says Starmer is in favour of European free movement.Keir Starmer: Labour should argue for return of free movement
Leadership frontrunner says party has to make the case for benefits of migrationwww.theguardian.com
Both Starmer and Nandy now calling for rtn of FOM
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Pret a Manger announce 50 new branches after the next General Election
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Tbh corbyn was shit at them too. The effect corbyn labour had on govt and political direction was due the labour putting forward policy and a political viewpoint that was a fair distance from the margins of contemporary electoral politics, which left rest of spectrum with greater distance they had to travel to cut off any support. Ofc many will argue that this is also one of key reasons labour couldn't get elected under corbyn too, I disagree, I think it was almost entirely down to brexit, others mileage may vary. Likes of Starmer, and the labour party by default too, will be more 'moderate' eg stay closer to the accepted, so any movement will be less. Or not at all.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Not being funny but have you got the right fella here
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Really? He was one of the most important figures in the creation of, and creators of political space for, the Labour Party when that was by no means the easiest path. For that he's a 'hero' - and certainly in comparison to your, or my, contributions.
He was also an anti-Semite - indeed he described himself as such - which alone would make any analysis of the man nuanced at the very least.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Even my old unison branch sec back when I worked for an electricity company who was full on labourite, would defend every labour leader ever, hated the left, loved blair, thought macdonald was a cunt. I mean he headed up a tory majority austerity govt.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Can't see where you've explained it.
Sounds like you think people have to be educated in political history in order to be politically active.
The popular film 'Fame is the Spur' was based on him' it was commonsense in the past to see McDonald as a sell out, even in folk memory.
yeah, it's a bit weird - surely Labour need to be a broad-based popular movement to succeed, rather than a load of dull politics obsessives?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Depends on your definition of dull, political obsessives - people who know the voting figures for Motion 607, Composite 4 of the 1978 LP conference are dull political obsessives, Man U fans who know the names and, roughly, the achievements of its four most successful managers would be nothing special in knowing the history of the club.
If Corbynism could be described as a return to the post war concencus, then you'd assume that the LP membership who overwhelmingly supported him would know what the PWC was and who created it....
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there is nothing less common than common sense.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Yes. Don't get me wrong, it's good to be educated about political history but they don't teach this sort of thing in school.
Not everyone is a history/politics graduate or an autodidact.
And they do, for the most part. But some don't, and tbh that's probably a good thing.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You don't need to be either to have a basic grasp of the history of the Party you have decided to join. A basic interest, presumably the reason why people join in the first place, should more than suffice.
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