Who will be the next Labour leader?

[killer b]

I would have hoped members of a political party would have a slightly longer and deeper historical view than those asked what they like on the tele. But clearly not.

They do: way less that 75% of the general public would have any idea about Atlee's record for eg, and I imagine the number of people who've even heard of Lansbury would be well under 1%

 

[Smokeandsteam]

They do: way less that 75% of the general public would have any idea about Atlee's record for eg, and I imagine the number of people who've even heard of Lansbury would be well under 1%

They might have heard of Atlee but they clearly don't understand what his Government achieved. I'm serious here - how on earth doesn't he stroll it? ''On behalf of the people', creation of the NHS etc etc etc

To take another example Wilson achieved what Corbyn singularly failed to do - he popularised the idea of public ownership and planning. He made it hegemonic.

I genuinely don't understand how you can pay to be a member of a party and not know this sort of basic stuff.

 

[killer b]

Those numbers don't really show the full picture tbh: Look at the chart here: Atlee is actually well in the lead if you exclude the don't knows.



And as I say: even these numbers demonstrate way, way more knowledge about politicians of the past than the general public.

 

[brogdale]

I genuinely don't understand how you can pay to be a member of a party and not know this sort of basic stuff.

My recollections of CLP meetings was that many members did not know a great deal of basic stuff about pretty much anything.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Imagine being someone who thinks it was Corbyn.

Atlee: NHS, Housing, Education, nationalisation/public ownership programme, won two elections
Wilson: nationalisation, health and safety act, equal pay act, mass expansion of education including the Open University, race discrimination act, decriminalised homosexuality, abortion act, won 4 elections
Corbyn: err Glastonbury, secured worst performance since 1935 and lost seats which have never been lost in working class areas.

Always vital to have at the forefront of our minds that the Labour’s poor election performance was 100% the fault of the cunts who were vile and/or stupid enough to vote for the Boris regime. We must never forget nor forgive their appalling conduct.

 

[teqniq]

There is more racism and xenophobia in this country than i think people are willing to admit. Not necessarily the full-on shouting and screaming with possible violent behaviour kind though that has certainly been empowered by recent events such as the election, but more of a behind twitched net curtains kind. I read a thread on Twitter not long after the election to which a Labour activist in the Wigan area contributed and according to her as she went from doorstep to doorstep the constant refrain was immigration.

 

[kebabking]

Always vital to have at the forefront of our minds that the Labour’s poor election performance was 100% the fault of the cunts who were vile and/or stupid enough to vote for the Boris regime. We must never forget nor forgive their appalling conduct.

The abject failure of my pop career is entirely the fault of the cunts who didn't buy my records, and absolutely nothing to do with the fact that my singing sounds like a vat of skinned cats being boiled alive.

Have you thought about a career in politics - I hear the LibDems, who I think do a similar line in 'you're all think cunts!' campaigning/abuse to you - have a number of vacancies....

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The abject failure of my pop career is entirely the fault of the cunts who didn't buy my records, and absolutely nothing to do with the fact that my singing sounds like a vat of skinned cats being boiled alive.

have you heard of mumble rap? It’s big these days and kids love it. Most of it is worse than cat screaming. Consumers of music have shit taste as do voters. The world is shit and people are awful. You’re awful too, I’ve thought you’re a cunt and prick for years now.

 

[kebabking]

...You’re awful too, I’ve thought you’re a cunt and prick for years now.

Look at the sky. Then imagine something fifty times bigger than all the sky you can see - that's about 1/1000ths of the indifference I feel.

 

[Mr Moose]

Mrs Brown’s Boys is a comedy?

 

[kebabking]

Mrs Brown’s Boys is a comedy?

Yup. You laugh at people who enjoy it. Hence it's a comedy.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Look at the sky. Then imagine something fifty times bigger than all the sky you can see - that's about 1/1000ths of the indifference I feel.

And yet you weren't indifferent enough to not bother typing that. Sad.

 

[killer b]

fwiw I've never seen Mrs Browns Boys, and have no idea how funny it is (or otherwise)

 

[kebabking]

And yet you weren't indifferent enough to not bother typing that. Sad.

Its only manners that makes me respond, not actual interest.

I'll stick you on ignore, I suggest you do the same...

 

[Teaboy]

fwiw I've never seen Mrs Browns Boys, and have no idea how funny it is (or otherwise)

Its a very odd throwback of a comedy, much loved by the generation who think comedy peaked that time Del Boy fell through the bar.

 

[Pickman's model]

Its a very odd throwback of a comedy, much loved by the generation who think comedy peaked that time Del Boy fell through the bar.

to be fair that was the funniest moment ever on 'only fools and horses'.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Always vital to have at the forefront of our minds that the Labour’s poor election performance was 100% the fault of the cunts who were vile and/or stupid enough to vote for the Boris regime. We must never forget nor forgive their appalling conduct.

What the fuck, precisely, has this got to do a poll of Labour Party members you thick boring twat?

 

[Mr Moose]

Its a very odd throwback of a comedy, much loved by the generation who think comedy peaked that time Del Boy fell through the bar.

But that was really funny.

 

[Teaboy]

But that was really funny.

Yes it was. Strangely when Miranda Hart fell over every fucking episode it was less funny. Strange thing comedy.

Anyway, is Kier Starmer leader yet?

 

[Mr Moose]

have you heard of mumble rap? It’s big these days and kids love it. Most of it is worse than cat screaming. Consumers of music have shit taste as do voters. The world is shit and people are awful. You’re awful too, I’ve thought you’re a cunt and prick for years now.

Jeff, you are coming over like Victor Meldrew m8.

Albeit one who would have to be viewed on HBO.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

What the fuck, precisely, has this got to do a poll of Labour Party members you thick boring twat?

You were implying that the low vote Labour got under Corbyn's leadership was somehow a reason to think he wasn't a good leader. But au contraire mon frère I would submit it shows how rubbish the electorate are, given their preference for the Bullingdon Club Part II (This Time with Added Bullshit). Brecht was surely right when he said - without a hint of irony - that we ought to dissolve the people and elect another.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Jeff, you are coming over like Victor Meldrew m8.

Steady on, I'm not that optimistic!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

You were implying that the low vote Labour got under Corbyn's leadership was somehow a reason to think he wasn't a good leader. But au contraire mon frère I would submit it shows how rubbish the electorate are, given their preference for the Bullingdon Club Part II (This Time with Added Bullshit). Brecht was surely right when he said - without a hint of irony - that we ought to dissolve the people and elect another.

Firstly, I wasn't. I was stating that to rate Corbyn more highly than, say Atlee, is a fucking joke and suggests that most Labour Party members are dense and unaware even of their own history. Secondly, your point merely proves that you are dense. The fact you make the same dense point over and over and over again just makes you denser and denser.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Firstly, I wasn't. I was stating that to rate Corbyn more highly than, say Atlee, is a fucking joke and suggests that most Labour Party members are dense and unaware even of their own history.

Your point merely proves that you are dense.

Interesting, you slander the cadre of the proletarian vanguard whilst apologising for the 12 million plus bourgeois, petit-bourgeois and lumpen strasserists who - through their crosses of hate - essentially acted as the brownshirt enablers of Boris' boot boy regime. For shame.

 

[oryx]

I genuinely don't understand how you can pay to be a member of a party and not know this sort of basic stuff.

I genuinely don't understand how you can think that.

 

[andysays]

Brecht was surely right when he said - without a hint of irony - that we ought to dissolve the people and elect another.

If you think Brecht wasn't being ironic when he wrote that, you're even more of an idiot than I already took you for.

Not only a misanthrope but a thick one to boot.

 

[The39thStep]

Interesting Twitter feed CLP Nominations (@CLPNominations) on Twitter
and updating map re Deputy leader nominations

 

[Proper Tidy]

Tbf trying to compare is a bit silly anyway, different contexts innit. Atlee for example, all the parties were committed to a national health service, no doubt if Churchill had have been elected then the shape of the NHS would have been different but it's daft to credit post war labour with welfare state or social democracy, it was the forces of the time, just happened in the UK that it was a labour govt that delivered (some of) it

 

[Proper Tidy]

Anyway I've said this before, for all its many many flaws corbyn's labour arguably the best opposition in modern parliamentary politics, hard to think of another opp that has had the same impact on govt

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I genuinely don't understand how you can think that.

I've explained why I think that. If you want to discuss it then post it up - it's a messageboard.