Who will be the next Labour leader?

[Larry O'Hara]

I'm even more depressed about it than that, because I don't think Starmer's completely shit (note emphasis!)

I think he could well contrive a half-way competent job at moving the LP towards somewhere half-way efficient, half-way competent**, with a half-reasonable set of soft-left policies, which are half-way but not completely Blairite, and as such winning a half-decent number of seats -- and those mostly but not completely in the wrong areas

**And there's a lot to be said for that in pure operational and Seamus Milne-free terms

Compared to that, Nandy's drawbacks look a fair bit more acceptable IMO ...

Half-way Blairite? A turd is still a turd...and anyway as I have stated earlier on this thread I dont buy the idea that Starmer is even competent.

you have got to distinguish between

a) tactics to win an election, at which the Tories were superb and Labour crap. Something I will elaborate on elsewhere.

b) policies to resolve serious issues. On this the Tories kicked both HS2 and Huawei into the medium-length grass. Today shows another example: nationalising Northern Rail, delayed till now to avoid giving Labour policy credence. Here, the innovative ideas fostered by McDonnell on public ownership and even the Green New Deal with its limitations are genuinely interesting. Electing scum like Starmer will end all that.

in which case I’m with RLB, whatever her limitations. Nandy, as has been pointed out, is resolutely anti-Leftist.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Going on what someone else was saying about the lack of talent at the top of the labour party, this is a member of the shadow cabinet and candidate for deputy leader:

 

[Proper Tidy]

Could have been worse, could have been a bit of Yaz or Bonny Tyler something. 2unlimited. Brothers and sisters, there are no limits. No no no. You reach for the sky. Comrades, there are no valleys too low or mountains too high

 

[Mr Moose]

Going on what someone else was saying about the lack of talent at the top of the labour party, this is a member of the shadow cabinet and candidate for deputy leader:

You laugh, but both Olly Murs and Meghan Trainor 'turned'.

 

[killer b]

Not my kind of thing, but the actual prime minister is constantly reciting poetry, sometimes in latin. Don't think this is really much different.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Not my kind of thing, but the actual prime minister is constantly reciting poetry, sometimes in latin. Don't think this is really much different.

I mean, doing poetry in latin is the mark of a knob but something inside so strong, it's pretty fucking bad

 

[killer b]

I didn't notice too many people complaining when her boss spent the last 4 years banging out The Masque of Anarchy at speeches either.

 

[killer b]

I mean, it's all a bit cringe, but who's she making that speech to? Not to twitter, to a room of greyhair Labour activists who all own Labi Sifre's greatest hits and campaigned against apartheid. And they seem to be loving it.

 

[Mr Moose]

I mean, doing poetry in latin is the mark of a knob but something inside so strong, it's pretty fucking bad

Yes, Labour’s battles to stop being crap are hardly analogous to the battle against apartheid.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I mean, doing poetry in latin is the mark of a knob but something inside so strong, it's pretty fucking bad

She should have done Easterhouse’s ‘Whistling in the Dark’. Apt for the morons lapping it up.

 

[killer b]

Yes, Labour’s battles to stop being crap are hardly analogous to the battle against apartheid.

So what? The 2017 general election wasn't analogous with the Peterloo massacre, no-one complained about Corbyn wheeling out Shelley at every opportunity - Politicians constantly quote poems, songs, other politicians, etc during stump speeches and while it's often a bit cringe it's pretty unremarkable.

If it'd been a white middle aged male politician quoting Byron, or Shakespeare, or the fucking Smiths, no-one would have given a fuck, much less posted a video of it on twitter for clicks from racists, or posted it here as evidence of a lack of talent in Labour's front bench.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Talking of ridiculous song outbursts:

MEPs sing Auld Lang Syne after approving Brexit deal – video

MEPs broke into song after voting to approve the withdrawal agreement for Britain's exit from the EU

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mr Moose]

So what? The 2017 general election wasn't analogous with the Peterloo massacre, no-one complained about Corbyn wheeling out Shelley at every opportunity - Politicians constantly quote poems, songs, other politicians, etc during stump speeches and while it's often a bit cringe it's pretty unremarkable.

If it'd been a white middle aged male politician quoting Byron, or Shakespeare, or the fucking Smiths, no-one would have given a fuck, much less posted a video of it on twitter for clicks from racists, or posted it here as evidence of a lack of talent in Labour's front bench.

You are being way too touchy. Her singing had more than a touch of Alan Partridge. You seem to think you have licence to consider these things a bit ‘cringe’ but if anyone else does its dodgy.

 

[killer b]

I dunno man. I don't particularly rate Dawn Butler, but looking as all the fucks replying to that thread I know who's side I'd rather be on.

 

[Mr Moose]

I dunno man. I don't particularly rate Dawn Butler, but looking as all the fucks replying to that thread I know who's side I'd rather be on.

I haven’t looked, but I can imagine and that’s a reasonable point you make.

There’s not a great deal we can do about that and on the whole I’d agree that it’s best not to hold people up for humiliation, especially if in the wider scheme of things you wish to be on the same side.

But you can’t unsee it.

 

[Serge Forward]

Talking of ridiculous song outbursts:

MEPs sing Auld Lang Syne after approving Brexit deal – video

MEPs broke into song after voting to approve the withdrawal agreement for Britain's exit from the EU

www.theguardian.com

At least they sung it correctly as "for auld lang syne" rather than the nonsensical "for the sake of auld lang syne" abomination

 

[brogdale]

 

[Gramsci]

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Just checked and this area was Leave. I dont understand how Remainer like Starmer gets nomination.

 

[Gramsci]

Talking of ridiculous song outbursts:

MEPs sing Auld Lang Syne after approving Brexit deal – video

MEPs broke into song after voting to approve the withdrawal agreement for Britain's exit from the EU

www.theguardian.com

What I thought was ridiculous was seeing Farage ( with Ann Widdicombe next to him) and the rest of the Brexit MEPs waving the union jack after Brexit deal was approved. Im tired of having to explain that not all British people are like this to my non British friends/ workmates here. They are imo an embarrassment to this country.

 

[redsquirrel]

Just checked and this area was Leave. I dont understand how Remainer like Starmer gets nomination.

Why not? You've said before that in your own constituency the CLP is not representative of the electorate.

 

[redsquirrel]

Not sure how meaningful it is but thought this was a bit of fun anyway

 

[kabbes]

Edit: never mind. I see the second one is RLB supporters and the third is Starmer. It was hard to spot!

Lol at Starmer rating Brown as the best ever leader. Real finger on the pulse stuff, that. If they were Tory, they’d be voting for Michael Howard.

 

[Big Bertha]

Am I missing something? Aren’t those three lists all measuring the same thing with different results? Or is that the point?

It’s separated out by leadership candidate.

 

[Mr Moose]

Not sure how meaningful it is but thought this was a bit of fun anyway
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Some serious tunnel vision on either side. And they both like Miliband second best.

Labour members appear to have short memories for either Illegal wars or getting soundly beaten. But the question is a bit like asking what your favourite disease is.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Not sure how meaningful it is but thought this was a bit of fun anyway


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Christ imagine being someone who thinks Gordon Brown was the best Labour leader ever.

 

[Big Bertha]

Christ imagine being someone who thinks Gordon Brown was the best Labour leader ever.

Imagine thinking Corbyn was!!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Christ imagine being someone who thinks Gordon Brown was the best Labour leader ever.

Imagine being someone who thinks it was Corbyn.

Atlee: NHS, Housing, Education, nationalisation/public ownership programme, won two elections
Wilson: nationalisation, health and safety act, equal pay act, mass expansion of education including the Open University, race discrimination act, decriminalised homosexuality, abortion act, won 4 elections
Corbyn: err Glastonbury, secured worst performance since 1935 and lost seats which have never been lost in working class areas.

How fucking dense are Labour Party members??

 

[killer b]

It's just the same effect that saw Mrs Browns Boys and Men Behaving Badly voted the best comedies ever in polls when they were the most recent big comedy shows. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It's just the same effect that saw Mrs Browns Boys and Men Behaving Badly voted the best comedies ever in polls when they were the most recent big comedy shows. It doesn't mean anything.

I take that to mean people vote for the new or the latest?

I would have hoped members of a political party would have a slightly longer and deeper historical view than those asked what they like on the tele. But clearly not.

 

[The39thStep]

It's just the same effect that saw Mrs Browns Boys and Men Behaving Badly voted the best comedies ever in polls when they were the most recent big comedy shows. It doesn't mean anything.

Mrs Brown Boys just won National Television Awards Best Comedy . I had no idea it was still going