Supine
Newt Member
She's obviously not going to try and bring the party together
Who will be the next Labour leader?
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She's obviously not going to try and bring the party together
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's not RLB, it's some bloke running a fan account.
andysays
Love and solidarity
With fans like this...
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You have to wonder if that’s a genuine account or one designed to look supportive whilst damaging RLB.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Christ I know you're a dense Lib Dem but even for you this is stupid.
Supine
Newt Member
Fuck off
The cranks dont need any assistance tbf
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Which position's that? If it's membership of the E.E.A. (has he advocated that?), that's a position routinely held by leading Brexiteers (including, if his bigging up of Norway and Switzerland's anything to go by, Farage) before the 2016 vote. After all, Eurosceptism was for years defined by leaving the political project while maintaining close economic ties.
As for moving Labour towards a 2nd referendum, yes, in 2018, when it was politically advantageous to do so. Since its membership's overwhelmingly pro-E.U., makes sense to set himself up as their champion. He was before that happy to nod along to a much harder Brexit than any serious leaver once advocated, and as noted, has never offered a proper defence of the E.E.A., instead squandering political capital on the peripheral issue of a customs union.
He's a political pragmatist who's instinctively pro-E.U., but ultimately happy to abandon the bloc if it suits.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
That's your affair, but given the majority opinion of Labour members, you must see why any leadership candidate's walking a fine line.
ska invita
back on the other side
This is back in blair Iraq war days but I did hear that there was genuine difference between the two papers. I can't recall the details now. Observer iirc published all kinds of wmd lies, my memory is shit, I also remember some straight from the mouth of mi6 content. Vaguely recall some grievance between the two papers at that time, political but also financial.
Apologies for the shit post, but I think there might be more complex a picture than what you say.
Though boil it all down and who cares what the difference is
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
they could do with a hug though
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Politically advantageous to lose 60 seat, right.
He publicly expressed his support for remaining in the EU in any 2nd referendum.
This is as divorced from reality as your contention that the S&D parliamentary group is social democratic.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Starmer the candidate that appeals to yellow tories and liberal capitalists.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Whoever has the bravery to help deliver a united Ireland, would be first choice. Doubt any of them truly give a fuck, mind.
andysays
Love and solidarity
What the Labour leadership contest REALLY needs to liven it up is for the question of a united Ireland to be introduced at the behest of a random posting from Japan...
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I fear you massively underestimate the importance, both in electorate terms and in its history of the Labour movement, of the Irish-Japanese caucus - 50 or 60 seats on the heartlands swing on this critical demographic....
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
There is a lot to digest here from Harris.
4 things stood out for me:
1. The voting figures among the unskilled, semi skilled and skilled working class. People can trot out their usual moan about the social classifications used by academia but there is no hiding from the scale of the problem.
2. Finally, someone from the Guardian admits that the population in the deindustrialised areas is not just angry white gammon ex-miners and that this is a grotesque and offensive caricature designed to other these communities and kept stripped of agency.
3. He is absolutely right that the leadership contest is a dead zone. Zombie pols barfing out the line to take. No ideas. No genuine debate. No sense of the need to think and inspire and engage. It's desperate stuff.
4. I agree with Harris up to a point about the popular experience of much of the state. But the more important point is that the state can't simply exist and operate effectively without proper funding and critically without strong vibrant and powerful non-state institutions alongside it, rubbing against it, using it, moving it and making it work properly for people. I'd love to be wrong but I can't remember one proposal from any candidate that begins to engage with this - despite them all claiming to be the missing link between the party and the working class.
The skewering of Labour and Momentum's top down stalinism is both amusing and enjoyable. However, I note the Blairite Harris doesn't extend the critique to his own bunch of top down power freaks.
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4 things stood out for me:
1. The voting figures among the unskilled, semi skilled and skilled working class. People can trot out their usual moan about the social classifications used by academia but there is no hiding from the scale of the problem.
2. Finally, someone from the Guardian admits that the population in the deindustrialised areas is not just angry white gammon ex-miners and that this is a grotesque and offensive caricature designed to other these communities and kept stripped of agency.
3. He is absolutely right that the leadership contest is a dead zone. Zombie pols barfing out the line to take. No ideas. No genuine debate. No sense of the need to think and inspire and engage. It's desperate stuff.
4. I agree with Harris up to a point about the popular experience of much of the state. But the more important point is that the state can't simply exist and operate effectively without proper funding and critically without strong vibrant and powerful non-state institutions alongside it, rubbing against it, using it, moving it and making it work properly for people. I'd love to be wrong but I can't remember one proposal from any candidate that begins to engage with this - despite them all claiming to be the missing link between the party and the working class.
The skewering of Labour and Momentum's top down stalinism is both amusing and enjoyable. However, I note the Blairite Harris doesn't extend the critique to his own bunch of top down power freaks.
Labour is stuck in the last century. Its adversaries have seized the future | John Harris
The party needs its own national story: a shift in consciousness that is 40 years overdue, says Guardian columnist John Harris
hasn't this been more or less the thrust of Harris' columns in the graun for at least the past five years?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Harris' point 4. about the working class lived experience of the state seems to me the one that the candidates are/feel unable to contemplate:There is a lot to digest here from Harris.
4 things stood out for me:
1. The voting figures among the unskilled, semi skilled and skilled working class. People can trot out their usual moan about the social classifications used by academia but there is no hiding from the scale of the problem.
2. Finally, someone from the Guardian admits that the population in the deindustrialised areas is not just angry white gammon ex-miners and that this is a grotesque and offensive caricature designed to other these communities and kept stripped of agency.
3. He is absolutely right that the leadership contest is a dead zone. Zombie pols barfing out the line to take. No ideas. No genuine debate. No sense of the need to think and inspire and engage. It's desperate stuff.
4. I agree with Harris up to a point about the popular experience of much of the state. But the more important point is that the state can't simply exist and operate effectively without proper funding and critically without strong vibrant and powerful non-state institutions alongside it, rubbing against it, using it, moving it and making it work properly for people. I'd love to be wrong but I can't remember one proposal from any candidate that begins to engage with this - despite them all claiming to be the missing link between the party and the working class.
The skewering of Labour and Momentum's top down stalinism is both amusing and enjoyable. However, I note the Blairite Harris doesn't extend the critique to his own bunch of top down power freaks.
Labour is stuck in the last century. Its adversaries have seized the future | John Harris
The party needs its own national story: a shift in consciousness that is 40 years overdue, says Guardian columnist John Harris
The neoliberal conundrum that the left party of capital has failed to address.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Has it? The ones I've read seemed to me to consist of reportage about why these areas voted Brexit rather than a proper exploration of a deeper political alienation
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Quite. And the growing consensus among the leadership hopefuls is that there is no need to do so. Wait for Corbyn to shuffle off, keep the head down till this Brexit thing dies down and maybe thin out the spending plan - then it'll all be okay again.
Delusional.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Don't see why not. You've got your Brexit and wish you all well with that. Be nice if the love was spread to Ireland and the exit from the UK
Shouldn't really make much difference where the sentiment comes from...
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LDC
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Have you seen her speak at any of the hustings? She can't go a sentence without mentioning being poor, cold, and hungry as a kid to a single parent.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
I didn’t get beyond the clunking Dr says Labour on life support analogy. Talk about talking the team up.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
In what way?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I had numerous problems with it. Firstly, the idea that Burgon, Rayner, RLB and McDonnell were sat together eating pizza as they pored over the detail of a devastating attack on the WC that only RLB could head off by sparkling in a commons sub-committee is all a bit west wing.
Also, where were the army of advisers and hangers on who normally do the grunt work?
Finally, doesn't RLB own a memory stick given the earth shattering importance of the (unexplained) issue?
But my main problem is that for those who think RLB is largely charisma free, a back room policy functionary type rather than a leader - and that there are homilies where a core narrative that inspires should be - it sort of confirms the analysis.
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