Who will be the next Labour leader?

[Mr Moose]

Taylor Swift? Brittany Spears? Christ on a bike, the woman is 40 years old and wants to be Prime Minister. Sorry, tittle tattle. I’ll watch the rest of it.

I’m non factional and from the left, says Owen Smith supporter.

She doesn’t do badly Tbf. She is a little light on the substance but the interviewers won’t be quiet and let her build on her answers.

Maybe she hasn’t got them yet, but she does have a few of the right questions which is a start.

 

[andysays]

Lots of people joining the party to vote in the leadership election, but according to the BBC it's likely to benefit Starmer rather than Long Bailey

Labour Party sees surge in membership amid leadership race

Of the CLP chairmen and chairwomen and MPs who spoke to Newsnight, virtually all seemed certain these members joined in order to have a say about the next Labour Party leader. In 2015 and 2016, the two Labour leadership contests in which Jeremy Corbyn ran, much was made about the "entryism" or programme of enlisting new members to vote for the left-wing candidate.

The intentions of all the new members this time is not certain - there are simply too many of them to be sure. However, sources within local parties are confident many if not most had joined to vote against the left-wing candidate, a reversal of what happened four years ago.

Nice job of smearing those who joined last time to vote for Corbyn, incidentally...

 

[Mr Moose]

Lots of people joining the party to vote in the leadership election, but according to the BBC it's likely to benefit Starmer rather than Long Bailey

Labour Party sees surge in membership amid leadership race


Nice job of smearing those who joined last time to vote for Corbyn, incidentally...

Is it? It’s accurate that they joined to vote for Corbyn and it’s saying that a big deal was made of that. You could read it as noting that previous bias almost asking ‘will this ‘entryism’ be treated the same way?’

 

[killer b]

Imagine joining the labour party to vote for Keir Starmer. Big 'we want to speak to the manager' energy in those pricks.

 

[Proper Tidy]

There are a lot of remain weirdos out there though, maybe it's not complete bollocks. Anyway if so that's that fucked

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I reckon most of them aren't going near the local parties and the journalists are hearing what they want to tbh

 

[Azrael]

What's behind the idea that Starmer's some ultra-Remainer? His record doesn't back it: he repeated the absurd six tests with a straight face; did nothing of note to defend the single market; and of all things, made his shadow cabinet stand over a customs union. He now says that he considers Brexit settled (leaving just enough wiggle room to change his mind down the line). Perhaps worst of all, he let others in the shadow cabinet stop him taking apart the "get Brexit done" slogan in the 2019 election.

It mostly seems to hinge on that conference speech where he said that no one's ruling out Remain being on the ballot of a second referendum (followed, once applause was in the bag, with the lawyerly caveat "at conference"). If the Cameron disaster taught anything, it should be the dangers of pinning so many hopes on a speech.

 

[Proper Tidy]

God I hate remainiacs

 

[two sheds]

even working class ones?

 

[Mr Moose]

There are a lot of remain weirdos out there though, maybe it's not complete bollocks. Anyway if so that's that fucked

I doubt it’s much about pursuing anything Remain now. That’s stone dead. It’ll be more about seeing off Corbyn and his coterie.

 

[Proper Tidy]

even working class ones?

I've no issue with people who voted remain, just with the ultras, including the w/c ones

 

[two sheds]

fair play

although I can quite understand the position of people who are concerned about the direction Leave is going - looks like closer ties to Trump & US, danger to NHS, danger to environmental and labour and food regulations with pretty far-right tories in charge ...

 

[killer b]

I reckon most of them aren't going near the local parties and the journalists are hearing what they want to tbh

The local parties recognising the names of people who left over Corbyn rejoining is all that's happening I'd imagine.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

The local parties recognising the names of people who left over Corbyn rejoining is all that's happening I'd imagine.

wonder if party HQ will be quite so eager this time round to reject anyone who looks as if they might have thought about voting lib dem at any point in the past few years?

 

[killer b]

I think those levers are more or less in the hands of the left now, but I cant see it happening tbh. Also the polling (and my finger in the air - bellwether Labour members ive spoken to are leaning starmer, although with little enthusiasm) suggests starmer has it sewn up anyway so it doesnt really matter.

 

[Mr Moose]

RLB may have had a better chance if Corbyn had stepped down after the EU Elections. His legacy would also have stood a better chance.

A mistake for her subsequently to give Corbyn the 10/10. I’m surprised she fell for giving an answer and the albatross potential of it. I think it sounded like ‘not listening’ to those types now joining.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Lots of people joining the party to vote in the leadership election, but according to the BBC it's likely to benefit Starmer rather than Long Bailey

Labour Party sees surge in membership amid leadership race


Nice job of smearing those who joined last time to vote for Corbyn, incidentally...

Basically imaginary I would say.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

What's behind the idea that Starmer's some ultra-Remainer?

Bar the repeated attempts to move labour further along from its 2017 position to PV and then to remain? Bar his emphasis on pushing Labour into the endless parliamentary shenanigans? Bar the position he’s now adopted in respect of trading arrangements? Nothing.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Imagine joining the labour party to vote for Keir Starmer. Big 'we want to speak to the manager' energy in those pricks.

I joined to vote for starmer, thanks for calling me a prick!

 

[Proper Tidy]

I joined to vote for starmer, thanks for calling me a prick!

I'm not going to call you a prick but I am judging you

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Bar the repeated attempts to move labour further along from its 2017 position to PV and then to remain? Bar his emphasis on pushing Labour into the endless parliamentary shenanigans? Bar the position he’s now adopted in respect of trading arrangements? Nothing.

Yeah, he went totally rogue there. The poor old Leader of the Opposition was powerless to restrain the Starmer juggernaut.

 

[Humberto]

Right, I'll make a bold prediction: Johnson's government will be worse than Cameron's, and they will rule without reason. The economy will go to shit for the majority, civil rights will take a battering, and laws will apply and be applied in the interests (or further than before) of the rich elite.

They'll ruin the country for most of us who aren't in that elite. Then the iron fist in a velvet glove will come out. This is going to be shit. They'll keep enough of the wealthy middle class on side to keep the shit-show going, (probably tax breaks for middle managers, schmooze those who have public profile and influence, easy enough). Kick down at the unwanted, scapegoating to continue.

So: impoverish the poor, undermine justice for the weak, buy and legislate 'justice' for the rich (make it too expensive), plunder the institutions that ordinary people depend on (have paid for). These are the kind of guys that would steal from their Nan's purse. That's 'my' £20, I 'made' it.

So, don't obey the law. Don't accept their domination. That's the right thing to do.

 

[oryx]

I'm not going to call you a prick but I am judging you

I wouldn't call you a prick or judge you (well maybe a leetle bit ) but I would say that Starmer, if he gets in, is another Kinnock waiting to happen.

 

[killer b]

I joined to vote for starmer, thanks for calling me a prick!

Would you like to speak to my manager?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Yeah, he went totally rogue there. The poor old Leader of the Opposition was powerless to restrain the Starmer juggernaut.

Good attempt to change the point. But let's deal with that one. It was precisely Corbyn’s attempt to prioritise ‘keeping the party together’ over taking a clear position that was a) the problem and b) gave people like Starmer the room for his manoeuvre.

The tragedy is that Corbyn in 2017 had the support and authority to decide a position and decide to take it to the people. Instead, concerned about internal war, one which Starmer would have been a player, dithering took place allowing others to control the narrative and the approach.

This ended up with Labour - the wanna be insurgents - up to their neck in parliamentary game playing and adopting a non-position on the most important issue of the GE.

Next.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Would you like to speak to my manager?

I’m in his latest campaign video! Prick was too kind.

 

[Gramsci]

wonder if party HQ will be quite so eager this time round to reject anyone who looks as if they might have thought about voting lib dem at any point in the past few years?

Lambeth Labour party checked all new members joining because of Corbyn. Trying to stop people being able to vote for Corbyn as leader.

Local news blogger Jason was barred from joining party due to his criticism of the Blairite leadership of Lambeth Council. Basicallly being a good local journalist.

Local leadership of the Lambeth Labour party can get quite nasty and vindicative against anyone who does not tow the Blairite line.

From what I remember I think they got him on alleging he had voted Green at local elections. Which a lot of people I know do. Vote Labour nationally but vote Green in Lambeth local elections as dont like Blairites.

Labour ‘purge’: South west London Jeremy Corbyn supporter barred from voting in leadership content | SWLondoner

A south west London Labour supporter has expressed his disbelief at being barred from voting in the leadership contest, as

www.swlondoner.co.uk

A south west London Labour supporter has expressed his disbelief at being barred from voting in the leadership contest, as the party aims to unearth ‘fake’ supporters.

 

[treelover]

Corbyn allies ‘line up top jobs before new Labour leader is elected’

Party HQ, under its general secretary, Jenny Formby, has rejected criticism for advertising senior posts in emails to staff

www.theguardian.com

Its the Observer, and Toby Helm, but if true damning.

 

[andysays]

Corbyn allies ‘line up top jobs before new Labour leader is elected’

Party HQ, under its general secretary, Jenny Formby, has rejected criticism for advertising senior posts in emails to staff

www.theguardian.com

Its the Observer, and Toby Helm, but if true damning.

Why is it damning?

If, as the article suggests. the posts of head of press and broadcasting, head of policy development, and deputy regional director in London are all vacant because of departing staff, surely the party needs to begin the recruitment process and get people in those roles ASAP rather than doing nothing until the new leader is appointed in April.

Or are you suggesting they can simply do without a head of press and broadcasting, a head of policy development, and a deputy regional director for the next few months?

 

[Gramsci]

I joined to vote for starmer, thanks for calling me a prick!

Jess Philips was your second choice and she is out of the contest. So your banking on Starmer winning I assume.