Who is going to win the 2018/2019 Tory Leadership election?

[treelover]

its very interesting and revealing that all discussions in the media, including the liberal part, has not mentioned that the poll of Tory members cited everywhere, also included the terrifying figure that only 14% of them endorse state support for those who are vulnerable, in difficulties, etc. Let them starve!

 

[treelover]

Understood, but it's her he's besotted with, her credited with his image revamp, her he's listening to. She has power over him, they don't.

Anyway the stakes are higher now, plus she is news not history- future PM Johnson discusses with her not them and privately he can't be 100% sure she's fully committed nor what her longterm ambitions are. The consort of the leader always has power within the court and a voice (spoken, attributed to a source or background briefed) that can extend much further than someone who spilt beans years ago. Whatever media access previous women in his life have, she outranks them as a former Conservative party communications chief who was named as the UK’s second most powerful public relations professional by PR Week magazine.
And she was intimately involved at CCHQ during the fake news/Cambridge Analytica campaigns around the referendum and GE, so must know her way around the dark arts and where a good few bodies are buried.

If he organises his life such that his relationships break up with grudges he's walking on eggshells.

If she is 35 she has been very very successful in professional life.

 

[oryx]

I must admit it would be lovely if he was brought down by her. I don't like either of them or the Tory party so all good. I just can't imagine his popularity waining. Instead I can foresee a witchhunt against her and the anti-feminism movement growing. I'd like to be proved wrong though.

Also with the proviso that I don't like either of them, one thing that struck me was how the neighbour, who reported suspected DV, was widely reported as having done that not because he might have been worried about Ms Symmond's safety, but because he was a vindictive lefty who wanted to smear 'Boris'.

 

[teqniq]

The usual rabble were bound to attempt to smear.

 

[oryx]

The usual rabble were bound to attempt to smear.

Well yes, of course - this is just another example of how low they'll stoop. It was the attitude to what is possibly/probably DV and its reporting that stuck me though.

 

[treelover]

Two others back up Tom Penn’s account, one of whom ‘thought someone was being murdered’

More Boris Johnson neighbours confirm 'tear-up' with partner

More Boris Johnson neighbours confirm 'tear-up' with partner

Damning?

 

[Benjy1992]

Johnson should just come clean and say what happened.

He can say it's a private matter but the argument was serious enough for police to be called and several neighbours witnessed it. His silence smacks of someone who has something to hide. People knowing the character of our potential future prime minister is very much of public interest also.

 

[not-bono-ever]

he lives near to the camberwell magistrates courts so only 5 minutes for him to walk when he goes for his committal. the twat.

 

[agricola]

Johnson should just come clean and say what happened.

He can say it's a private matter but the argument was serious enough for police to be called and several neighbours witnessed it. His silence smacks of someone who has something to hide. People knowing the character of our potential future prime minister is very much of public interest also.

He might not be able to - if (as the rumours went around on Friday night) its true that they are trying to prevent publication of the recording of the row, any admittance by him (or her fwiw) that the row happened or what its contents were makes it even more unlikely that a recording made inside someone elses flat of noises heard within that flat will be found to be a breach of his privacy.

 

[brogdale]

It'd be nice if people stopped referring to the cunt as "Boris" though. I was recently watching "The Papers" on BBC News channel and that vile smear of shit, Tim Montgomery, was bellyaching over some of the press using the term "Johnson" rather than "Boris". Come on you lot, get with it.

#TCJ

run with it comrades; we'll know who you mean.

 

[Pickman's model]

Johnson should just come clean and say what happened.

He can say it's a private matter but the argument was serious enough for police to be called and several neighbours witnessed it. His silence smacks of someone who has something to hide. People knowing the character of our potential future prime minister is very much of public interest also.

I think the nature of Johnson's character is a matter of publick record

 

[Sprocket.]

 

[andysays]

It's not even his real first name. I think he decided to call himself it because he's so wacky. 'Everyone calls me Boris' he lied.

 

[cupid_stunt]

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One of the papers today had a cartoon of a copper addressing the press pack...

This evening we were called to the home of Mr Hunt, after a neighbor reported hearing a man screaming 'I am going to be Prime Minister'.

 

[Pickman's model]

There was a young man named boris
Who fancied himself as a florist
While cutting primroses
He snipped off his toeses
And nearly lost one of his wrists

 

[Rivendelboy]

He could grab her by the p***y and he'd still be prime minister at this stage...

I think he already did

 

[Mation]

Johnson should just come clean and say what happened.

Why on earth would he?

If he sticks to his 'my private life has no bearing on my political prowess' guns, the Tory membership will judge him on his stated politics, however shoddy. Even if they think that he has other questions to answer, the party is in such a state that any excuse to put 'distractions' aside will do.

But if he talks, they'll be forced to judge him both on what he himself says about it, as well as on his political babblings. That's too unpredictable an interaction for a party that concerns itself with morals and merit.

 

[weepiper]

Jeremy Hunt going all out for the Scottish vote here. Fuck off back to London you private school prick.

 

[treelover]

So, so, transparent, they must think Scots are stupid.

 

[not-bono-ever]

should have got a munchie box at 3am for the full immersive experience

 

[kebabking]

So, so, transparent, they must think Scots are stupid.

He only has to turn up in Scotland. Party members in Scotland will know quite well how unpopular Johnson is in Scotland, Hunt gets their vote almost by default - by turning up he cements that.

He's not trying to win public votes in Scotland, that will come later, if in the unlikely event that he becomes PM.

 

[Dogsauce]

He’s popular with Tory members as much because he’s seen as someone who can win. Same with a lot of MPs that backed him despite knowing he’s a bit of a dick - they want to keep their seats and remain in power, and he’s a plausible way of achieving this. Parallels with Trump in this respect.

Any sign that his actions are reducing their chances and it’s less certain he will be backed. Hence polls showing a drop in support from the wider electorate like the one today are very damaging.

I’m hoping there’s enough uncertainty to cause a few of them to shit their pants a bit, the more chaos and stress the more they lose confidence and fuck up, a bit like May at the last GE

 

[Steel Icarus]

I don't know where anyone's getting the idea that outside of Tory Party members, nobody likes Johnson. I guarantee millions of people think he's great because he's "colourful".

 

[binka]

I don't know where anyone's getting the idea that outside of Tory Party members, nobody likes Johnson. I guarantee millions of people think he's great because he's "colourful".

Several years ago a friend of mine who's a fireman said he'd vote for him because he thought he was a bit of a laugh, he doesn't really follow politics closely so had no idea about Johnson's record of closing fire stations in London.

I do think though that in an election campaign where he's under more scrutiny than usual and he has to defend his record I could definitely see his popularity with the public taking a bit of a beating. Corbyn's already been hit with everything there is, can only imagine what there is yet to find out about Johnson

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Jeremy Hunt going all out for the Scottish vote here. Fuck off back to London you private school prick.

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So, so, transparent, they must think Scots are stupid.

Unfortunately I’m now gasping for a can of Irn Bru and a fish supper. Bad thing to pull on us on a Sunday of all days.

 

[marshall]

Johnson would be such a liability for the Tories in a GE, there's always more to come, a new low to be plumbed; think it might be Hunt's. Seriously, though, what a choice, it's desperate

 

[Kaka Tim]

the membership will choose johnson whatever - they dont trust hunt on brexit ("may with trousers") and will also assume (correctly IMHO) that the brexit party will continune to take big bites out of their popularity with him in charge.
As Johnson - i dont know why he hasn't just come out and said "yes we had a bit of a heated row, which must have sounded a lot worse than it actually was, apologise to my neighbours and the police - but who hasn't had a shouting match with the missus ?etc etc"

 

[Raheem]

i dont know why he hasn't just come out and said "yes we had a bit of a heated row, which must have sounded a lot worse than it actually was, apologise to my neighbours and the police - but who hasn't had a shouting match with the missus ?etc etc"

Because there's a recording.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Because there's a recording.

Of an argument. Unless that recording is made public he can go with "i dont recall exactly what words were used" - even on the potentially most damaging bit ("get off me!") he could say something like "i went to hug her but she was still very angry" .
His fan base are looking for reasons to excuse him - and he could pretty easily provide it. Essentially admit it in general and play it down.
The only thing i could think that might be terminal on the recording is something that sounds like him beating the shit out the women - and that doesn't seem to be the case going by what the neighbours have said.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Have no way of proving this but I'm 100% sure he binned that can with barely a sip taken