Who is going to win the 2018/2019 Tory Leadership election?

[Pickman's model]

I thought exactly the same. I think they've just gone from hating him to still hating him but believing he is their only hope.

Clutching at straw-coloured hair

 

[BryanLuc]

We should at least use gentlemanly forms of derogation, such as "piccaninnies" with "watermelon smiles", or "letterboxes".

"gentlemanly"?
If that's your idea of polite conversation thank goodness I do not mix in your circles

 

[BryanLuc]

Theresa May is backing Rory Stewart. Poor man, that must be the final kiss of death

 

[krtek a houby]

"gentlemanly"?
If that's your idea of polite conversation thank goodness I do not mix in your circles

What circles do you mix in, caller?

 

[eoin_k]

Then by that view, houses planned in the Boris era are still being built?

Johnson is responsible for permitting residential property developments, such as the conversion of Centre Point from commercial use into luxury apartments, which began in 2015 but still remains largely unsold, since it suits the owner to hold out for a price that even the international investment market won't bear. Ironically, as an office block that was originally left empty for years, the building already symbolised the perverse incentives that the market gave investors to leave stock empty. (While empty buildings don't bring in rent they can be used more effectively to leverage borrowing for, say, further speculative investment.) A youth homelessness charity was even named after the building. In this respect, residential property investment is not necessarily any different. Building units for the market isn't the same as building homes for people.

 

[eoin_k]

"gentlemanly"?
If that's your idea of polite conversation thank goodness I do not mix in your circles

He's quoting Johnson, you pillock.

 

[Poi E]

What circles do you mix in, caller?

ever decreasing ones.

 

[eoin_k]

With new posters of this calibre, in a few decades, Urban's going to end up as the virtual equivalent of a day trip to a golf course from a nursing home in the home counties.

 

[krtek a houby]

With new posters of this calibre, in a few decades, Urban's going to end up as the virtual equivalent of a day trip to a golf course from a nursing home in the home counties.

"new" posters, though

 

[eoin_k]

Aye, a bit credulous on my part... In my defence, trying to engage seriously with Sasaferrato probably clouded my judgment.

 

[newbie]

Then by that view, houses planned in the Boris era are still being built?

I'm not sure you've quite grasped the reality.

Property for Sale in Nine Elms - Buy Properties in Nine Elms - Zoopla

 

[Sasaferrato]

Johnson is responsible for permitting residential property developments, such as the conversion of Centre Point from commercial use into luxury apartments, which began in 2015 but still remains largely unsold, since it suits the owner to hold out for a price that even the international investment market won't bear. Ironically, as an office block that was originally left empty for years, the building already symbolised the perverse incentives that the market gave investors to leave stock empty. (While empty buildings don't bring in rent they can be used more effectively to leverage borrowing for, say, further speculative investment.) A youth homelessness charity was even named after the building. In this respect, residential property investment is not necessarily any different. Building units for the market isn't the same as building homes for people.

That is hardly a problem unique to London.

 

[eoin_k]

That is hardly a problem unique to London.

Is that it? The point isn't that this pheonomenon is unique to London, although London is a particularly extreme example. The point is that your defence of Johnson's record on housebuilding completely missunderstands what his policies really achieved. He didn't oversee the construction of houses as you keep boasting. He actively encouraged a speculative bubble in glass and steel boxes that nobody lives in. That is the record you are defending

 

[Sasaferrato]

Is that it? The point isn't that this pheonomenon is unique to London, although London is a particularly extreme example. The point is that your defence of Johnson's record on housebuilding completely missunderstands what his policies really achieved. He didn't oversee the construction of houses as you keep boasting. He actively encouraged a speculative bubble in glass and steel boxes that nobody lives in. That is the record you are defending

You don't like Boris. I get that.

You are prejudiced to the point where nothing he has done is of worth. Says more about you than him TBH.

Pointless discussion is pointless.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Is that it? The point isn't that this pheonomenon is unique to London, although London is a particularly extreme example. The point is that your defence of Johnson's record on housebuilding completely missunderstands what his policies really achieved. He didn't oversee the construction of houses as you keep boasting. He actively encouraged a speculative bubble in glass and steel boxes that nobody lives in. That is the record you are defending

Keep boasting? One comment. Clown.

 

[xenon]

You don't like Boris. I get that.

You are prejudiced to the point where nothing he has done is of worth. Says more about you than him TBH.

Pointless discussion is pointless.

It is when you make no effort to even address the points regarding the negative effects of the policies you credit Johnson for.

 

[eoin_k]

Sasaferrato, why don't you deal with the substance of my point rather than indulge in this pedantic nitpicking.

 

[xenon]

Fucksake Sasaferrato

you're an obtuce dullard.

 

[Sasaferrato]

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Removed as I was unaware of circumstances.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It is when you make no effort to even address the points regarding the negative effects of the policies you credit Johnson for.

See post # 914

 

[Sasaferrato]

Sasaferrato, why don't you deal with the substance of my point rather than indulge in this pedantic nitpicking.

See post # 914

 

[eoin_k]

[...]

You are prejudiced to the point where nothing he has done is of worth. Says more about you than him TBH.

[...]

lol
Says the man who attacks Corbyn for living in a modest terraced house in his own constituency because the Daily Mail persuaded him that it was extravagant.

 

[eoin_k]

See post # 914

 

[xenon]

Whatever. Fuck off, there's a good chap.

Obtuse you semi-literate half-wit.

My spelling may be poor but at least I'm not making a lazy thickwitted defence of Johnson and lack the comprehension skills, wit or grace to even engage with the patiently outlined points raised by my interlocuters.

Dullard.

 

[xenon]

Still a Tory Sas.

Boris Johnson defending waste of fucking space prick.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Two irritants have just been removed. I am no longer tolerating clowns arguing for the sake of it.

 

[krtek a houby]

 

[eoin_k]

Two irritants have just been removed. I am no longer tolerating clowns arguing for the sake of it.

Good. Now we can mock your ill-informed pontificating without having to put up with the tedious retorts of a petulant overgrown man child... Come to think of it, your sympahty for Bojo the Clown makes sense.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Keep boasting? One comment. Clown.

ffs. People who know a lot more about this than you do are giving you information. You can't process that information without admitting that your original post about TCJ's property-developing record was badly wrong. Says everything about you, and nothing about anyone else.

 

[Sasaferrato]

ffs. People who know a lot more about this than you do are giving you information. You can't process that information without admitting that your original post about TCJ's property-developing record was badly wrong. Says everything about you, and nothing about anyone else.

He built 94,000 houses during his time. That was all I said, no more no less.

As always with Boris, that figure on its own is incomplete information. I get it that many of those houses turned out not to be homes.

He's not PM material, but of the contenders, on both sides of the house, who is.

Can you explain though, why he won twice in London, and is about to become PM? To me it is rather like seeing Trump win, something that did not seem possible.