Who is going to win the 2018/2019 Tory Leadership election?

[isvicthere?]

Posters who resort to foul and childish name calling should grow up and stop playground name calling. Who knows, they might even develop an argument

Welcome to urban, newbie! Let us school you in the ancient ways of the bunfight.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've been here long enough to know that most of those using what you call foul and childish name calling are more than capable of developing an argument.

I've yet to see any indication that you are though

give it a million years and he might

 

[hash tag]

Is this the time to start developing Tory rhyming slang?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is this the time to start developing Tory rhyming slang?

theresa may - had her day

 

[andysays]

give it a million years and he might

I doubt it

 

[Pickman's model]

I doubt it

he'd definitely have developed some culture

 

[a_chap]

Posters who resort to foul and childish name calling should grow up and stop playground name calling. Who knows, they might even develop an argument

You completely miss my point.

I agree with you that resorting "to foul and childish name calling" is a Bad Thing.

Therefore changing his name to Jeremy Cunt is the only sensible option; it will ensure everyone calls him by his proper name.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is this the time to start developing Tory rhyming slang?

Hunt's a cunt
Johnson's a cunt
Gove's a cunt
Javid's a cunt
et cetera.

 

[ricbake]

Tory MP's all earn a minimum of £79,000, so he's offering them all a £5,000 tax cut, yet two thirds of them just voted against him. It's almost as if you don't understand what you're talking about...

Assuming conservative party members are higher rate taxpayers they could be who Boris's higher rate tax cut proposal is aimed at. Will they be swayed by such personal interest?

I'd fall off my chair if half the membership of the Tory are higher rate tax payers.

They are far more motivated by brexit and other political issues than they are by a couple of quid a week in a tax bung.

Poll boost for Boris Johnson as more than half of Tory members now say they would back him

Conservative party Membership according to the Conservative Think Tank The Bow Group has an average age of 71, from an internal Conservative report, but Tim Bale of Queen Mary Uni, based on polls by You Gov has it as 57 years, but I think an online survey group is less likely to represent older participants.
Of the 100,000 or perhaps as many as 170,000 members, many are dead, inactive or just forgotten that they pay their membership by Direct Debit. During the 2016 leadership campaign the Conservatives claimed to have a membership of 440,000

Conservatives occupy 56% - 11,200 out of 20,000 local Council seats
82% of Conservative Party Members are ABC1 "Social Grades"

About 4,200,000 people pay tax at 40% and 364,000 at 45% (earning over £150,000) - 4.5 million will benefit from BJ's tax cut which could deplete the HMRC coffers by £Billions

There will be a considerable number of Tory supporters benefiting....

It turns out that better-educated members are slightly less right-wing on average. Female members and the small minority of Tory members we can classify as C2DE (as opposed to ABC1) are more right-wing. Older members are also more right-wing than younger members. Not surprisingly, then, younger male members are the least right-wing and older female members are the most right-wing members

Draw your own conclusions - it's Tory bollocks for the foreseeable future and there isn't any credible electable alternative

 

[isvicthere?]

theresa may - had her day

Can't think of one for Jeremy Hunt...

 

[Pickman's model]

Can't think of one for Jeremy Hunt...

 

[Proper Tidy]

Posters who resort to foul and childish name calling should grow up and stop playground name calling. Who knows, they might even develop an argument

Brayn

 

[Sasaferrato]

That was from the Boris Road To Number 10 thread, but whatever

I do like Boris, despite his glaring faults. We all know people like that, likeable, but not quite 'trustable'.

He did win London twice, any idiot with good enough support can win once, twice requires a bit more than than that.

I do not think that he is PM material, and his utterance on tax is beyond the pale. We should be gently edging the uber wealthy towards higher tax bills, not the other way.

 

[hash tag]

Not even his wife could trust him, why would anyone else?

 

[Saul Goodman]

I do like Boris, despite his glaring faults.

No surprise there.

We all know people like that

No we don't.

 

[YouSir]

I do like Boris, despite his glaring faults. We all know people like that, likeable, but not quite 'trustable'.

He did win London twice, any idiot with good enough support can win once, twice requires a bit more than than that.

I do not think that he is PM material, and his utterance on tax is beyond the pale. We should be gently edging the uber wealthy towards higher tax bills, not the other way.

Incompetence and racism are likeable traits?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Out of all of them Johnson is the one that most nakedly models himself on the US Republican party. The tax cuts for the rich are a part of that. Boris Johnson in charge of the UK during and immediately after brexit would be very bad news indeed for the UK. It would mean the fulfilling of my very worst fears from the night of the referendum onwards - the USification of a tory-led post-brexit UK, 51st state territory.

His record as London mayor is also instructive, in that one of the very few things he even tried to do was to create a scheme for people earning £60k plus to buy a house. People who earn less than that just don't exist for him. He will fuck them over in an instant. The only thing that prevented him from doing more harm was that he is inherently lazy and incompetent.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Incompetence and racism are likeable traits?

The argument has been had, I've neither the time nor the energy.

Boris is not fitted to be PM.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Out of all of them Johnson is the one that most nakedly models himself on the US Republican party. The tax cuts for the rich are a part of that. Boris Johnson in charge of the UK during and immediately after brexit would be very bad news indeed for the UK. It would mean the fulfilling of my very worst fears from the night of the referendum onwards - the USification of a tory-led post-brexit UK, 51st state territory.

His record as London mayor is also instructive, in that one of the very few things he even tried to do was to create a scheme for people earning £60k plus to buy a house. People who earn less than that just don't exist for him. He will fuck them over in an instant. The only thing that prevented him from doing more harm was that he is inherently lazy and incompetent.

He built 94,000 new houses.

Not all of Boris is incompetent, not all of Boris is dishonest, not all of Boris suffers from periodic amnesia. More than enough does though.

 

[YouSir]

The argument has been had, I've neither the time nor the energy.

Boris is not fitted to be PM.

Didn't ask if he was, I asked if you found them to be likeable traits. A rhetorical question really.

 

[Ming]

He built 94,000 new houses.

Not all of Boris is incompetent, not all of Boris is dishonest, not all of Boris suffers from periodic amnesia. More than enough does though.

FYI
Boris Johnson left us a terrible housing crisis legacy in London, and the Government must fix his mess
And the occupancy in the new ‘homes’ is low because they were bought as investment ‘by to let’ places.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He built 94,000 new houses.

Not all of Boris is incompetent, not all of Boris is dishonest, not all of Boris suffers from periodic amnesia. More than enough does though.

The Elephant and Castle development is one of the major ones he signed off on. No idea how many 'new' homes there are there, but they replaced a bunch of old homes, whose inhabitants were flung far and wide as part of a larger project to socially cleanse Zone 1 of anybody other than the super-rich.

eg here

Most of the flats were to buy, and extortionately expensive, many hoovered up by speculators. The rest were 'affordable', by which is meant '80 per cent market rate', a rate that Johnson did his best to get as high as he could, in other words, not affordable at all.

Johnson spent public money to make private investors rich while pushing anyone not in his category of earning £60k + or so as far from the centre of town as possible. Like many others, he should be in jail.

But hey, you like him...

you're right, though, about one thing. Not all of Johnson is incompetent. Some of him is evil.

 

[Saul Goodman]

He built 94,000 new houses.

For homeless people?

 

[CRI]

 

[cupid_stunt]

The Telegraph, and others, are reporting a planned stitch-up of only having BJ on the membership's ballot paper.

As the Telegraph is behind a paywall, I'll link to the Express, which is basically running the same piece.

BORIS JOHNSON could be the only candidate that goes forward to the party’s membership in the Tory leadership election in a new secret plan hatched by senior ministers.

Senior Cabinet ministers have revealed a new secret plan to avoid four weeks of “blue on blue” attacks. The ministers - who have no link to any of the six candidates - are examining whether Mr Johnson’s name alone could be forwarded to a “confirmatory” vote of the party’s 160,000 members, according to The Daily Telegraph. The plan was hatched amid concerns from senior members who believe weeks of “blue on blue” attacks could leave the new Tory leader weakened and vulnerable to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Tory leadership twist: Boris Johnson's rivals to be eliminated in latest secret plan

 

[pesh]

 

[moochedit]

The Telegraph, and others, are reporting a planned stitch-up of only having BJ on the membership's ballot paper.

As the Telegraph is behind a paywall, I'll link to the Express, which is basically running the same piece.



Tory leadership twist: Boris Johnson's rivals to be eliminated in latest secret plan

That is what happenned with May in the end last time when Leadsom quit at the final stage.

One of them (whose name i forget) has already quit this time. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more quit after Tuesday's vote.

 

[hash tag]

Johnson wasted ten's of millions of public money on vanity projects like the garden bridge and the cable car thing.

On the one side of the new leader argument is who will get us out of Europe, how and when. The other side of this is who will Europe react to the best and be more amenable with. I don't think that's Johnson. But hey, it's not my call, I don't have a vote and it's just a Tory.

 

[Smangus]

I do like Boris, despite his glaring faults. We all know people like that, likeable, but not quite 'trustable'.

He did win London twice, any idiot with good enough support can win once, twice requires a bit more than than that.

I do not think that he is PM material, and his utterance on tax is beyond the pale. We should be gently edging the uber wealthy towards higher tax bills, not the other way.

You don't live in London so you have no idea. The only legacy he has left are a trail of failed vanity projects which have cost us stupid amounts of money. Garden bridge, water cannon, cable cars etc. Nothing for ordinary people.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Johnson wasted ten's of millions of public money on vanity projects like the garden bridge and the cable car thing.

On the one side of the new leader argument is who will get us out of Europe, how and when. The other side of this is who will Europe react to the best and be more amenable with. I don't think that's Johnson. But hey, it's not my call, I don't have a vote and it's just a Tory.

Were he 'only a Tory', fair enough, but he's not is he? He is potentially PM which will affect all of us.