It's also represented in cabinet meetings at the heart of decision making. At least for the next 4 1/2 years it is not a fringe party.
When will the lib dem split happen?
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It's also represented in cabinet meetings at the heart of decision making. At least for the next 4 1/2 years it is not a fringe party.
IDS is a well known social conservative, but his ilk are not the dominant force within the Coalition or the Conservative party.
We shall see Frogwoman, there are no elections next week and polls change.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You'll probably not be surprised to know that you're nowhere near the first person on these boards to have made that observation.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
No - people even more barking and right-wing than even he are! Like, say, Clegg and Cable ...
It wouldn't surprise me if some people left, there are vast amounts of people who literally just hate the Tories and anything to do with them to such an extent they can't palate the Coalition.
In my area membership is on the rise, but as I said it's rural and Tory facing. It will be interesting to see the national figures.
In Conclusion I think an internal split is unlikely. I think following the recent internal elections of people like Tim Farron who is quite Coalition sceptic the party will start pushing a bit harder against the Tories. If people decide to vote for AV then it may embolden the party to break the coalition and go to the polls, or if Labour manage to woo the social liberals then you could possibly see a split. At the moment with Labour attacking it's just pushing the Lib Dems further together and if anything more into the arms of the Conservatives.
If the AV vote is lost then the chances of an internal split would slightly increase, but the chances of the party breaking the coalition would decrease. I suspect Clegg would probably rally the party around the promise that the economy will pick up in 4 years and the polls are so bad now you might as well hang on in there.
Some self-interested Councillors might jump ship next year depending on local results this year.
If the AV vote is lost then the chances of an internal split would slightly increase, but the chances of the party breaking the coalition would decrease. I suspect Clegg would probably rally the party around the promise that the economy will pick up in 4 years and the polls are so bad now you might as well hang on in there.
Some self-interested Councillors might jump ship next year depending on local results this year.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it is socially conservative, by favouring existing elites for one.
and that is precisely how it is more right-wing. And, of course, it is driven by an economic choice, as Cameron, Osborne & Clegg have all admitted. There is no need for cuts at all.
'addicted,' yeah, cos the poor are a disease aren't they?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Sinful"? Who are these arschlochen with their religious language?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
oh good, you're leaving.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And you base this observation on...what exactly?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Or back-benchers like the ultra-Europhobe Edward Leigh.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
wrong. IDS is exactly what the new Tories believe in. No objection to poofs or darkies at all, as long as they still believe that work makes you free.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So, do you believe that these members, many of whom may be (in fact are, given Lib-Dem history, are likely to be social-democratic and not so much anti-Conservative as wary of neo-liberalism, should not have their views reflected by the parliamentary party any longer, that your fifty-something MPs should be able to ignore their constituency parties (the people that selected them as their parliamentary representative) with impunity, just because they've gotten a sniff of power and liked it?
Yes, it will.
Prediction: Barring a miracle, you're going to lose most of your suburban and urban seats at the next election, because the effects of the cuts will be more starkly noticeable there, and slightly more diffuse in the rural constituencies.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
What an utterly meaningless phrase. I suspect you just coughed that up because you thought it sounded impressive. However, it doesn't hide your lack of thinking - critical or otherwise - and it makes you look immeasurably dense. Though self-awareness isn't something that you excel in. Is it?
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Snide comments are just about all you ever post, in my experience. Remind me again why we let you back on here?
Because you signed a pledge not to?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
BOLLOCKS!!! You have done NOTHING. All you have is a piece of paper. stop lying, it's pitiful!
Are you really this stupid? I mean, like special needs? You made the cuts possible becuase it gives the tories not just a majority but a 'nice' shiny yellow face that conned people into believing you hve anything approaching progressive politics.
You did NOT make ID cards scrapping possible because a) it was a flagship tory policy that they screamed out at the top of their voices throughout the GE campaign and b) because the cards were a MASSIVELY UNPOPULAR policy of Labour's. They would have been scrapped anyway, ditto contactpoint.
Please, if you really have so little self-respect as to get value out of being the wiberwal Comical ali of U75, at least learn how to spin properly.
You're actually making yourself look ridiculous, and I'm embarrassed for you.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Fuckinghell, can you honestly not see why there might be good principled reasons for this?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
for the umpteenth fucking time, and as has been explained to you with infinite patience and painstaking care - the cuts are not necessary
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Right Wing in the sense that it has launched an ideologically motivated full scale assault on the last vestiges of post-war social democracy and the welfare state, universal eduaction etc etc. In simple terms a massive escalation in class war.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
you mean, they let clegg and cable hand round the tea and garibaldis? Copmrades, this is the promised land!
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
an all out war on the poor, the working class, the unemployed, the disabled, a bonanza for the wealthy, letting tax dodgers off scot-free, the tearing up of the Social Contract, the destruction of educational opportunities for all.....are you having a fucking laugh or something?
for the umpteenth fucking time, and as has been explained to you with infinite patience and painstaking care - the cuts are not necessary
You haven't done it successfully. you are burying your head in the sand about the economic situation.
_angel_
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He is a mentalist who thinks the poor are somehow sinful. He actually used the phrase"work sets you free"!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
How is Streathamite "burying his head in the sand"? I think he (and others) have tried to explain this to you but you only seem interested in the party line. But the party line is philosophically deficient in that it only accepts that the only remedy to the alleged economic mess is massive cutbacks in public spending. It's the poor and those at the bottom of the income scale who will suffer the most. But I suspect that neither you nor the party leadership thought of this when they got into bed with the Tories.
Of course the Orange Book gang were always closet Tories.
Am I not allowed to respond to snidey attacks, Crispy?
And why are you allowing the most snidey poster of all to keep up his crusade against me?
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