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Positive cases are going to happen from now until a vaccine (if ever found) so why is there an obsession to lock down just because of positive cases if said positive cases are not becoming ill / hospitalised? Surely positive cases without hospitilisation is a good thing as immunity is built in the community without serious illness.

You seem to be assuming that people aren’t getting seriously ill unless they are hospitalised.
 
Or that sufferers don't suffer any lasting effects, including effects that may make them more susceptible to a worse infection later on, either from a second dose of covid or a more mundane illness like flu .
 
Or that sufferers don't suffer any lasting effects, including effects that may make them more susceptible to a worse infection later on, either from a second dose of covid or a more mundane illness like flu .

Is there any evidence on likelihood of catching it a second time / timelines etc.
I would have thought there would have been enough time to gather something on this by now.
 
There's been a very small number of probable reinfection cases reported yes but no proper studies conducted on it I don't think yet.
 
There's been a very small number of probable reinfection cases reported yes but no proper studies conducted on it I don't think yet.

Reinfections don't bode well for a viable vaccine... though I guess if they are really rare.. I dunno..
 
Reinfections don't bode well for a viable vaccine... though I guess if they are really rare.. I dunno..

I don't think it's been around long enough to say yet but I think they are rare. I think you should be good for a few months at least.
 
In response to waterloowelshy: And that's why restrictions have eased considerably, and will continue to be eased if doing so keeps infections at a manageable level. Manageable meaning partly not risking another peak that would once more threaten to overwhelm the NHS.
The official strategy is still not complete elimination (which is maybe what the "casedemic" line would refer to?), but a juggling act of a return to a considerable part of our pre-covid work and social and educational life while keeping cases low enough to allow for this without things spiralling out of control. Given the wild cards of schools reopening and increased indoor socialising in winter, I don't think there is much more leeway at the moment?

Which restrictions would you like to see eased further?

Allowing the majority of society to carry on as before while shielding/isolating older people or people with pre-existing conditions is also fraught with difficulty, ethical and practical, and even if this was possible the number of people in the younger cohorts having serious cases requiring hospital treatment would be too high if the virus was left to run completely unchecked. Not much has really changed in this regard since March.
 
I'm continuing to find good masks much more comfortable. :) However, I've developed eczema on my lower face for the first time in years and I'd be very surprised if that weren't connected to wearing a mask in this heat.

So surely you continue to shield / protect the vulnerable while re-opening to everyone else.

I see this a lot from people in the US as well. It basically amounts to shutting vulnerable people in their homes.

But there are huge numbers of us, and we need to live too, not just exist. For some very old or very ill people, shielding for even longer could mean never seeing their loved ones again, or never anything other than their home and maybe the street just outside it. Some other vulnerable people do contribute to the economy, too - I agree that we need to take the economy into account, but people with disabilities are part of the economy too.

Vulnerable people are mostly at a greater risk to themselves, not others, especially if they do actually wear masks. Having social distancing measures, masks, and more working from home plus home deliveries means they can continue to live, while taking on a certain level of risk to themselves.
 
Vulnerable in terms of covid can mean stuff like diabetes or high blood pressure too. That's a lot of people, there's a misconception that you only die of covid if you're about to drop dead in the next few months anyway.
 
If you dont need hospitilisation then its cant be defined as seriously ill surely. Ill yes, but not serious enough for hospital treatment.

I was diagnosed with swine flu in 2009, and only wasn't admitted to hospital because they didn't want me there passing on the infection - I lived with people who could theoretically provide basic care and call an ambulance if necessary (we lived very near a hospital, too). Nine weeks of absolute hell that would definitely usually be considered serious enough for hospitalisation, and definitely considered serious overall. Took several months to recover.

Being on a ventilator in ICU is not the only measure of a serious illness.
 
I didn't mean to imply anything like that, sorry :( was just making the point because there's this assumption that 'they were going to die anyway' when everyone 'dies anyway'!

And even if you were ill from something else there's a difference between dying peacefully or at least not in too much pain with all your family around, and dying alone and unable to breathe. :(
even then, this kind of talk implies that people of are less value cos of their vulnerabilities and because of their potential lesser economic value - fuck that quite frankly
 
even then, this kind of talk implies that people of are less value cos of their vulnerabilities and because of their potential lesser economic value - fuck that quite frankly
Its not that at all. But, locking down the whole of society just trashes the economy which will cause more long term deaths than covid. Whereas, targeted shielding, with a functioning economoy could be used to pay for shielders and vulnerable to remain protected while the economy continues to function. All we have have is nothing - for anyone. Once furlough ends its going to be a catastrophe.
 
Its not that at all. But, locking down the whole of society just trashes the economy which will cause more long term deaths than covid.

How?

Whereas, targeted shielding, with a functioning economoy could be used to pay for shielders and vulnerable to remain protected while the economy continues to function. All we have have is nothing - for anyone. Once furlough ends its going to be a catastrophe.

The amounts spent on furloughing people is a drop in the ocean compared to the largesse that banks have received in response to previous crises. If ending the furlough scheme results in disaster, then it will be because people will have been chucked on the scrap-heap, not because of the furlough scheme that was keeping them well in the first place.
 
The health backlog stuff is due to covid itself. Sweden cancelled around 40,000 scheduled operations too btw and at the height of the pandemic they were hardly admitting anyone over 80 to hospital.
 
why are we even responding to this idiot, who thinks youtube videos are 'evidence' for their claims?
Sorry. I didn't realise that you weren't allowed to rerference You tube. If you'd like to see how low hospital admissions are at present then feel free to take a look.


The link isnt to youtube.
 
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