Voter suppression (UK)

[brogdale]

Given that 3 US Civil Rights groups have commented on Johnson's plans to force people to show photo ID to take part in UK elections, thought it might be good idea to have a dedicated thread to follow the progress of resistance to this. The government is bringing forward a bill in the spring to make photo ID mandatory from 2023 for all UK-wide and English elections.

 

[ska invita]

its a disaster
if this becomes law im going to go to the polling station without ID and just make a nuisance of myself. - Hopefully others will do the same
doesnt make a difference if i dont get to vote of course

 

[brogdale]

It's the bit about those not having photo ID having to make some prior arrangement with the council for ID to be provided in advance of elections. That's some mighty large barriers, right there.

 

[brogdale]

Does the LP have a position on this...or will it just be back the govt.?

 

[two sheds]

Wonder how this will affect postal votes

 

[brogdale]

Wonder how this will affect postal votes

I suspect not v.much at all, as there's already a verification process to access PV...I think?

 

[brogdale]

I suspect not v.much at all, as there's already a verification process to access PV...I think?

Which would kinda show up the tories voter suppression for what it is...because I remember a long while ago forging my parents sigs of the form to get their PVs.

 

[two sheds]

Yeh true - don't remember what verification was but linked to address. Not sure how that's actually different to voting in person though.

 

[two sheds]

Which would kinda show up the tories voter suppression for what it is...because I remember a long while ago forging my parents sigs of the form to get their PVs.

allegedly

 

[StoneRoad]

Thank's to the 'rona I've decided to go for a PV this year [no way can they make our local station covid safe and I'm fed up to the back teeth with the party canvassers outside asking illegal questions].

I filled in the form ...

 

[two sheds]

Have done it for years - don't have a car so it's great for me.

 

[maomao]

Does the LP have a position on this...or will it just be back the govt.?

Kieth will probably say they haven't gone far enough and demand a literacy test too.

 

[brogdale]

Have done it for years - don't have a car so it's great for me.

Sensible as not having a car (licence) reduces your chance of having photo ID. ATM I don't have any photo ID (no current passport and old paper driving licence). Caused a bit of fuss when I went to get my last phone in the phone shop...they asked for my driving licence as ID and the young people working in the shop went into some sort of tail-spin when they were exposed to the old licence with no photo...after many phone calls up the chain they eventually relented and sold me the contract.

 

[two sheds]

I do have a licence, I just decided many years ago that I was the sort of driver best kept off the roads Not sure if the licence has photo id though. I wonder if they'd take a library card

 

[danny la rouge]

Does the LP have a position on this...or will it just be back the govt.?

They’ll say they want 24 hour voting.

 

[platinumsage]

Is the American experience necessarily replicated here,- that those without suitable ID who otherwise would have voted but can’t, are a group that would vote against the party who introduced the measures? My mum for example only got photo ID very recently and is a right wing Brexiter. I think a lot of old people (who apparently tend to vote Tory) still just have a paper driving licence and no passport, whereas younger people are perhaps more likely to have something suitable and also be able to apply for it if necessary online.

 

[brogdale]

Is the American experience necessarily replicated here,- that those without suitable ID who otherwise would have voted but can’t, are a group that would vote against the party who introduced the measures? My mum for example only got photo ID very recently and is a right wing Brexiter. I think a lot of old people (who apparently tend to vote Tory) still just have a paper driving licence and no passport, whereas younger people are perhaps more likely to have something suitable and also be able to apply for it if necessary online.

I think the theory is that it is the more marginalised 'communities' that will be dissuaded from voting.

 

[platinumsage]

That's a quote from an American campaigner.

 

[MickiQ]

My parents don't have any photo ID. They've never been abroad and they both quit driving some years ago. Neither of them can be arsed to vote so this won't affect them but it can be a pain confirming their identities at times.

 

[brogdale]

That's a quote from an American campaigner.

Yes, but the principle is the same, no?

 

[weltweit]

Hmm, I am agin it.

The current system with the electoral register seems to work ok for me.

Apart from disenfranchising, is this perhaps also a step towards us being required to have photo id?

 

[platinumsage]

Yes, but the principle is the same, no?

No, why would it be?

I'm not sure that the three US civil rights groups quoted in the Guardian article have much of an insight into UK voter registration and ID at all.

 

[Smangus]

So exactly how much electoral fraud has taken place previously to make this a cure for a problem? Not very much as far as I can tell. So it's a cure with an ulterior motive really. Maybe they want to import Republican style voter suppression for the next election. Nothing would surprise me with these cunts, Boris is obsessed with how Trump operates as we all know.

 

[brogdale]

No, why would it be?

I'm not sure that the three US civil rights groups quoted in the Guardian article have much of an insight into UK voter registration and ID at all.

Do you support the government's proposal?

 

[platinumsage]

Do you support the government's proposal?

No but i’d like to not support it from a better position than simply assuming it’s going to have the same effect as in the US.

 

[brogdale]

No but i’d like to not support it from a better position than simply assuming it’s going to have the same effect as in the US.

Fair enough.
So why don't you support the proposal?

 

[platinumsage]

Fair enough.
So why don't you support the proposal?

I haven’t seen a convincing reason for it, but neither have I seen a convincing reason to oppose it other than the fact it appears unnecessary.

 

[brogdale]

I haven’t seen a convincing reason for it, but neither have I seen a convincing reason to oppose it other than the fact it appears unnecessary.

There was this.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Given that 3 US Civil Rights groups have commented on Johnson's plans to force people to show photo ID to take part in UK elections, thought it might be good idea to have a dedicated thread to follow the progress of resistance to this. The government is bringing forward a bill in the spring to make photo ID mandatory from 2023 for all UK-wide and English elections.

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Couldn't give a monkees personally as I don't vote. There's no point.

 

[platinumsage]

There was this.

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Just read this on the trial conducted in the following year:

Five things we have learnt about England’s voter ID trials in the 2019 local elections

The Cabinet Office and Electoral Commission have published their evaluations of the voter ID trials that were held during this May’s local elections. Michela Palese assesses what we have learnt fro…

blogs.lse.ac.uk

Note points 2 and 5 which highlight that the “potential” bad effects will depend on the implementation, specifically how easy the process is for people to obtain the dedicated election photo ID