'Vegan diets are healthier and safer for dogs' says The Guardian about University of Winchester survey
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Aladdin
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Can my dog or cat be vegan?
Technically yes, dog can be vegan! Cats, however, cannot. Our vet shares the latest diet advice to help you ensure that your pet gets the nutrition they need.
Vets opinion.
A vegan diet for a dog cannot be prepped at home so you have to buy the specially prepared foods.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
Can my dog or cat be vegan?
Technically yes, dog can be vegan! Cats, however, cannot. Our vet shares the latest diet advice to help you ensure that your pet gets the nutrition they need.firstvet.com
Vets opinion.
A vegan diet for a dog cannot be prepped at home so you have to buy the specially prepared foods.
And if you're going to do that, you might as well give them the best possible diet you can give a dog, a raw one. Same prep, roughly same prices etc.
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
That's not what whataboutery means. Pointing out the limitations is exactly on topic.And that whataboutery goes up another notch.
"Peer-reviewed analysis of 2,500 pets finds vegan dogs visit the vet less often and require fewer medications"
Vegan versus meat-based pet foods: a study of 1418 cats and 2639 dogs
Results of a 2020 online study of 4,060 cat and dog guardians, each asked to describe a single pet. After eliminating 3 blanks, 1,418 cats and 2,639 dogs were included. Owners were asked about indicators of health and wellbeing, and about pet diet and other characteristics. Hosted on the...osf.io
Vegan versus meat-based dog food: Guardian-reported indicators of health
Alternative pet foods may offer benefits concerning environmental sustainability and the welfare of animals processed into pet foods. However, some worry these may compromise the welfare of pets. We asked 2,639 dog guardians about one dog living with them, for at least one year. Among 2,596...journals.plos.org
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Partial answer to what protein for dogs?
www.thesprucepets.com
Something systematic (Excel document) would be nice though.
11 of the Best Vegetables to Feed Your Dog
What vegetables are good for dogs? Here are 11 safe options to try, plus the ones that you should be sure to avoid.
Something systematic (Excel document) would be nice though.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Also those feeding their dogs a vegan diet are far more likely to be focused on maintaining a very strict overall diet for their dog and exercise routines.
Whereas those that don't are more likely to be a mixed of people that are careful with their own & their dog's diets and exercise routines, and the 'couch potato' types that are likely to be feeding their dog all sorts of shit, and not exercising them properly.
There's way too many variables involved here, because of the self reporting sample, hence the caution admitted by the head of the study.
Whereas those that don't are more likely to be a mixed of people that are careful with their own & their dog's diets and exercise routines, and the 'couch potato' types that are likely to be feeding their dog all sorts of shit, and not exercising them properly.
There's way too many variables involved here, because of the self reporting sample, hence the caution admitted by the head of the study.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Collieflower
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Dogs are like humans, then. Vegan diet can be healthy but only with lab-produced supplements.Can my dog or cat be vegan?
Technically yes, dog can be vegan! Cats, however, cannot. Our vet shares the latest diet advice to help you ensure that your pet gets the nutrition they need.
Vets opinion.
A vegan diet for a dog cannot be prepped at home so you have to buy the specially prepared foods.
It's a shame the study didn't include vegetarian dogs. It would interesting to find out if dogs can live a healthy life on a mixed veg/dairy diet without the need for supplements. Humans can. I don't know if dogs can. That article doesn't go into it, but the difference between vegan and vegetarian, nutrition-wise, is very significant.
Insect-based pet food is an interesting development. Could be a good option.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Lily is very keen on eating grass. Sometimes it's like taking a sheep for a walk...
I don’t think that he understands the limitations of surveys
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Don't know about dogs, but our cats eat grass, then throw up a furball. The grass seems to help the process somehow.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
There's been a number of studies that link vitamin supplementation to increased cancer risk.
The enigma of beta-carotene in carcinogenesis: what can be learned from animal studies - PubMed
Beta-carotene and other carotenoids have been thought to have anti-cancer activity, either because of antioxidant activity or because of their ability to be converted to vitamin A. Nevertheless, two large scale intervention studies in humans using high doses of beta-carotene found that...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Antioxidant supplements for prevention of mortality in healthy participants and patients with various diseases - PubMed
We found no evidence to support antioxidant supplements for primary or secondary prevention. Beta-carotene and vitamin E seem to increase mortality, and so may higher doses of vitamin A. Antioxidant supplements need to be considered as medicinal products and should undergo sufficient evaluation...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Antioxidant supplements for prevention of mortality in healthy participants and patients with various diseases - PubMed
We found no evidence to support antioxidant supplements for primary or secondary prevention. Beta-carotene and vitamin E seem to increase mortality, and so may higher doses of vitamin A. Antioxidant supplements need to be considered as medicinal products and should undergo sufficient evaluation...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I think overall it's better to get your nutrients from food if you can. Given the number of heavily regulated pharmaceuticals that have shown to have cancer-causing levels of NDME introduced in the manufacturing process, it's probably that vitamins are subject to the same manufacturing/contamination issues. Or, it could be that excess levels of vitamins are causitive. The ins and outs of diet studies are complicated and difficult to reproduce.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
pics?My ex was vegetarian and we didn't have meat in the house so I used to go down town once a week for an all day breakfast. Her cats had meat but why wouldn't they, and fish on their birthday. I did ask if I got fish on my birthday but apparently not.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
There's also many studies that link eating lots of meat to certain cancers. Swings and roundabouts.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
The point I was trying to make is that you can't have a diet of fillers and then use supplements to make up the difference.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Mostly processed meat, though.
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
It's the fucking same. Except the fucking dog then tries to eat the fucking sick.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
have you ever had a dog if they live past say 12 they are going to get some form of cancer about 70 percent of the time
why mess with their diet
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So a mixed diet of raw meat plus some appropriate plant-based (and insect-based) stuff to bring down the carbon footprint a bit?
Maybe that's the best answer.
As is often the way in this particular debate, making the right changes isn't necessarily a question of vegan or bust.
Maybe that's the best answer.
As is often the way in this particular debate, making the right changes isn't necessarily a question of vegan or bust.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Which mainly affects the poorest as per.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
editor
hiraethified
I reckon you've got maybe 3 or 4 troll attempts left before you're gone.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
ah not saying its not just dogs because of human dodgy treatment of the animal we bred in stupid and recessive traits in almost all dogs breeds
even mutts they are cancer magnets sadly as they age saying that
underneath they are ominovores so sending their diet one way or the other is not kind to them
even if it makes the owner feel better about themselves
even mutts they are cancer magnets sadly as they age saying that
underneath they are ominovores so sending their diet one way or the other is not kind to them
even if it makes the owner feel better about themselves
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Diet staples for poor people is often bad all around, with both smaller quantities and worse quality. If you look at the food given out by food banks its things like processed cereals, pasta, white bread, "commodity cheese", canned soups, bottled juices. There's very little fresh veg., and what is there is verging on spoiled. And, as you noted, meat is things like hotdogs and lunch meat.
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