Vaccine roll-out: the logistics
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platinumsage
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That's a ridiculous way to view a national program, it's not a race between regions and there is a limited supply of vaccine.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It's a bit complex, the NE had one of the first national mass vaccination sites open last week in Newcastle, whereas here in Sussex we have to wait for the one at the Brighton Centre to open on Monday, that's not the fault of anyone locally, these are part of the national roll-out effort. Clearly where these sites are already open, you would expect those areas to be well ahead in vaccinations compared to areas waiting on having one to open.
In addition, GPs around here have resources in place, but they have simply not been getting enough vaccine supplies, whilst at the same time we have a very high percentage of over 80s compared to many areas, so it would seem there's been some initial targeting problems with certain areas not getting enough supplies compared to other areas. They are certainly not sitting on a stock of unused vaccines, if they were, they wouldn't need more supplies that had initially be planned to go elsewhere.
There're limited supplies of vaccines, and clearly they need to be targeted better to ensure the most vulnerable groups get their jabs first before moving onto the next groups, it's about balancing things out and being fair to everyone.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
Sky News' coverage is a bit less dismissive of Prof Balicer's concerns and less IT'S ALL FINE! than the BBC version.
The UK's single dose response is based on the view that the first dose will be up to 89% effective. Pfizer say it's 52% effective after 12 days - they don't give a figure for the 3 months the UK is aiming for with the second dose as they didn't test for it. The early Israeli real world data suggests it's 33% effective at 14 days, although they accept this will increase as more data comes in, probably about in line with Pfizer's 52% figure.
The UK's assumption that immunity will continue to increase after 2 weeks is based on how other 2 dose vaccines work, so isn't completely pulled out of their arses, although some say it's an optimistic figure. It is, however, still an assumption.
While this isn't something to panic about at the moment, it is something to keep an eye on.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Just had an email from work telling me I can get a vaccine next week due to being in a special school.
Edit - email a bit unclear. I can book an appointment next week, don't know if that is when I'll actually get a jab.
Edit - email a bit unclear. I can book an appointment next week, don't know if that is when I'll actually get a jab.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
That's just a horribly confused article as far as I can see with a big jumble of "percentage effective" numbers presented in a misleading way.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
I suggest a sternly worded email to Nick Sutton, head of Sky's digital output, informing him of his journalist's shortcomings. Maybe type it in green.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Well, that was a load of trash. Told appointments would be made available at 3pm - and they weren't. Just a load of info all saying the same thing, massive demand etc. I can see this taking some time.
bimble
floofy
This country has ordered 5 times as many vaccine doses as there are people, i wonder at what point the government will sell or give away the excess ? Is it only after everyone of any age who can be persuaded to get vaccinated has been?
This graphic is quite a thing, how many doses per citizen various bits of the world have been able to buy / order and which company they have bought it from.
from this
www.theguardian.com
This graphic is quite a thing, how many doses per citizen various bits of the world have been able to buy / order and which company they have bought it from.
from this
Canada and UK among countries with most vaccine doses ordered per person
UK has more than five doses per person on order, in sharp contrast to developing countries
nyxx
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My mum had a letter from her GP inviting her to have a covid19 vaccine. But she got the letter after coming out of hospital in mid January, and the letter was dated mid December - she was in hospital at that point and in isolation as well having tested positive.
She doesn’t want to be a bother to anyone and said she will just wait to see what they tell her to do. She’s also fairly confident that having had it with no symptoms, she’s a good chance of having some immunity in the medium/short term.
I think they might have just assumed she didn’t want it, given how low the uptake has been?
I don’t want her to miss out - should I be pressing her to contact the health centre and tell them she didn’t attend because she was in hospital at the time, and can she have a new appointment now please?
She doesn’t want to be a bother to anyone and said she will just wait to see what they tell her to do. She’s also fairly confident that having had it with no symptoms, she’s a good chance of having some immunity in the medium/short term.
I think they might have just assumed she didn’t want it, given how low the uptake has been?
I don’t want her to miss out - should I be pressing her to contact the health centre and tell them she didn’t attend because she was in hospital at the time, and can she have a new appointment now please?
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Yes. She won’t be bothering anybody and it is still recommended to have the vaccine if you have had covid.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
In some areas at least you can book online if you've had a letter: Book a coronavirus vaccination. My parents did this and it was no bother apparently.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
International vaccine procurement in that chart reminds me of the supermarkets in mid-March last year. UK & Canada are those sharp elbowed rich wankers who've installed a second freezer in their spare garage and bought all the loo roll (EU is in an entitled fury after spending too long writing the shopping list and missing out on some items). The African Union is that old bloke staring at the empty shelves in the famous photo.This country has ordered 5 times as many vaccine doses as there are people, i wonder at what point the government will sell or give away the excess ? Is it only after everyone of any age who can be persuaded to get vaccinated has been?
This graphic is quite a thing, how many doses per citizen various bits of the world have been able to buy / order and which company they have bought it from.
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from this
Canada and UK among countries with most vaccine doses ordered per person
UK has more than five doses per person on order, in sharp contrast to developing countries
nyxx
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That’s really helpful thanks.
The website was down for most of this afternoon but having tried this evening it looks like I could walk through it with her over the phone. Bit of a journey to the avbut there is one near a train station.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I wonder why a pattern appears to be developing whereby the number of doses administered increases every day from Sunday, reaching a peak on Saturday before dropping back down:
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
And, sometimes not all 4 nations are reporting figures on a given day.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Johnson says 2m (out of 15m) people have been offered vaccine but haven’t ‘come forward’.
This seems high (13%).
Hancock said just now on #r4today that take-up for 70-80 year-olds about 98%.
Which group isn’t ‘coming forwards’ and what does this mean?
This seems high (13%).
Hancock said just now on #r4today that take-up for 70-80 year-olds about 98%.
Which group isn’t ‘coming forwards’ and what does this mean?
Covid: Have your jab this week, PM tells two million
But Boris Johnson says the UK is nearing its target for vaccinating 15m in the effort to save lives.
www.bbc.com
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Is it high? I'm not sure what you'd measure it against or what you'd expect tbh. It's way lower than has been indicated by the various surveys recently.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Johnson says 2m (out of 15m) people have been offered vaccine but haven’t ‘come forward’.
This seems high (13%).
Hancock said just now on #r4today that take-up for 70-80 year-olds about 98%.
Which group isn’t ‘coming forwards’ and what does this mean?
Covid: Have your jab this week, PM tells two million
But Boris Johnson says the UK is nearing its target for vaccinating 15m in the effort to save lives.www.bbc.com
No, according to the article Johnson's words were "With less than a week to go until the target date... there's no doubt we've made great strides, with just over 13 million people now vaccinated.....But that still leaves nearly two million people, a population roughly twice the size of Birmingham, that we still hope to reach"
It seems that this two million thus includes people who haven't yet had the vaccine but are going to have it between now and Monday. The average number jabbed per day is 433,832 (not all of these will be in the 70+ group).
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Surveys suggest anti-vaccine very low for 70+ age group. It’s the younger folk that are nuts.
While that seems to be true, there was a disturbing article in the Guardian recently (
-- can't find it now ... 
) about high resistance to being vaccinated amongst UK-based BAME people in older age groups ....... there's already been some Urban discussion about this recently.
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Supine
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Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Big gap on getting vaccine to health and social care staff (article from Tuesday):
www.theguardian.com
Covid vaccine: tens of thousands of UK nurses yet to receive first dose
Royal College of Nursing survey found 15% of those polled remained unvaccinated
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
FT reporting here that approx 10% of over 70s yet to be vaccinated:
UK ministers to be deployed to encourage people to have Covid jab
Which by the figures in their graphic here equates to 880,000:
UK ministers to be deployed to encourage people to have Covid jab
Which by the figures in their graphic here equates to 880,000:
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