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I am very sorry for this, but that specific quote is going to spark the loons into a frenzy - 11780 votes = 1+1+7+8+0 = 17 = the 17th letter of the alphabet is Q

Which, if you think about it, makes the next letter of the alphabet R. Wake up sheeple!!!!!1!11!1!!!!eleven!!!!
 
Currently listening to the full hour-long trump phone call to Raffensperger.

It is jaw-dropping and not in a good way.

:eek: :facepalm: :mad:
 
The master criminal always makes one fatal error, and trump's is recording himself committing what seems to be a crime a president can't pardon

According to CNN it was Brad Raffensperger's team that recorded it, with instructions not to release it unless Trump attacked him, which, of course, he did on twitter, and soon after the recoding was released.
 
According to CNN it was Brad Raffensperger's team that recorded it, with instructions not to release it unless Trump attacked him, which, of course, he did on twitter, and soon after the recoding was released.
yeh. if it wasn't being recorded in the white house too don't you think djt would be hollering 'deep fake'? it is the wh recording that is djt's error
 
It is in some ways a good start to 2021 as this is so serious it could... Well I don't even know what potential punishment there could be for an ex-president. Loss of ex-pres priveleges? Jail time? I'm quite optimistic
 
It is in some ways a good start to 2021 as this is so serious it could... Well I don't even know what potential punishment there could be for an ex-president. Loss of ex-pres priveleges? Jail time? I'm quite optimistic

Trump's starting legal action about it being recorded without consent.
 
Trump's starting legal action about it being recorded without consent.
How does that work? I believe recordings made without consent aren't admissible as evidence, but is it actually illegal in the US to record a conversation without consent and publish it?

In any case, there might arguably be a "national interest" justification, if a sitting President is actively trying to sabotage an election...?
 
How does that work? I believe recordings made without consent aren't admissible as evidence, but is it actually illegal in the US to record a conversation without consent and publish it?

In any case, there might arguably be a "national interest" justification, if a sitting President is actively trying to sabotage an election...?
It doesn't work. Trump is claiming it was a confidential, protected conversation, but he then went and blabbed about it on Twitter. It was only released after that. Second, Georgia is a 'one party consent' state, meaning that if Raffensperger consented to the recording, it was legal.
 
It doesn't work. Trump is claiming it was a confidential, protected conversation, but he then went and blabbed about it on Twitter. It was only released after that. Second, Georgia is a 'one party consent' state, meaning that if Raffensperger consented to the recording, it was legal.
Perfect. So he's going to tilt at another windmill. Couldn't happen to a nicer, etc.
 
How does that work? I believe recordings made without consent aren't admissible as evidence, but is it actually illegal in the US to record a conversation without consent and publish it?

In any case, there might arguably be a "national interest" justification, if a sitting President is actively trying to sabotage an election...?

Trump doesn't care how it works. It's just his MO. If you can't get what you want by straightforward means, bully, bluster, threaten, litigate until you do get it.

I've never been convinced his post election behaviour is grift. It's that he can't accept he lost. Only losers lose!
 
The recording is revealing in lots of ways. The thing that most struck me was the way that he states plainly that he (Trump) won the Georgia governor's election, when Kemp squeaked past Stacey Abrams. All good things that happen are cos of his actions. All bad things that happen are cos of others cheating or betraying him. There really is no limit to his self-regard.
 
Lol I've replaced my Marty1 feed with lotuseateers...Anyway this Raffensberg tape, ..which Karl Bernstein reckons is worse than Watergate, fella on Lotuseaters acknowledges that he's not an expert and then tries to give his slant on what he thinks happened in both and how Bernstein is wrong. the conceit.


Fingers crossed, heres hoping US can get through next two weeks with only mild embarrassment
 
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Currently listening to the full hour-long trump phone call to Raffensperger.

It is jaw-dropping and not in a good way.

:eek: :facepalm: :mad:

Having had some time to think about the recordings and listen to them again a few times (and apologies if this is obvious), the way in which Trump casually suggests votes could be "found" is yet another reason to think that he might well have committed electoral fraud himself. The request isn't presented as if its unusual, or something that could not normally be done.
 
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