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I'm going to allow myself some optimism about a Biden administration for today.

It's true that Biden in a different time would basically be like Clinton - nominally left of centre but not really meaningfully so, kept things ticking along as normal without making them too much worse and without really doing much to improve things.

However, the 2020s are not shaping up to be anything like the 1990s or the 00s. An unprecedented rate of technological change is leading to severe social and economic dislocation, which has been accelerated by the pandemic. Long festering issues such as rising property prices, ballooning student debt, stagnant wages and the lack of jobs that can provide a decent standard of living, and increasing rate of climate disasters (among which I'd include the pandemic) are reaching the point where they are so serious that at some point in the next decade capitalism will need to restructure itself in some way to survive. You can see that even big tech capitalists are rethinking how capitalism works, hence the interest in Universal Basic Income and so on.

That is to say, I don't think that it is really possible for Biden to be another Clinton or even an Obama anymore than a President during the 1940s could just coast. We're living through a time of crisis and there has to be something different offered.

There's also a kind of generational change underway where the complacent boomers are becoming less relevant and new generations of politicians (e.g. AOC) are rising up who are a bit more radical and at a bit more in touch with how tough life is in late capitalism is. I feel like momentum is with them now in a way it wasn't under Obama and they should exert some influence on policy direction.

Biden won't stand in 2024, but if Harris serves 2024-28, there is every chance that a lot of positive stuff could get done during the 20s. It would be good if the Democratic Party has some rethink about why blue collar workers in Ohio and Michigan voted for Trump and if they try to start addressing their concerns more.

I'm being blindly optimistic here, but if there is a second term for Harris there is a good chance that a lot more could get done than we'd expect - a "green new deal", decent public healthcare, addressing student debt and fixing the housing market are some significant but plausible achievements that could happen.

Of course, maybe nothing will improve - but I think there is some hope that the 2020s will be a decade of reform akin to the post-war era. If Trump won a second term however, then the 2020s would seem more likely to be marked by a descent into fascism or civil war.

Maybe nothing will change, the Democrats will have learned nothing from their failures, and a smarter version of Trump will bring fascism to the USA in 2024.

But at least there is a sliver of hope now, whereas a second Trump term would be a disaster for the world.

Today is a good day.
 
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This McCain stuff is making me nauseous now tbh. He made a great concession speech. I will absolutely give him that. But otherwise, his politics were utterly vile.

Most of his politics were utterly vile. His attitude toward Native American tribes was remarkably respectful. He sponsored a bill in 1992 that returned a lot of rights back to native tribal governments. A number of liberal heroes can't say the same. Ruth Bader Ginsburg may have championed the cause of women, but her rulings were not that friendly to Native America.
 
Even better...



I don't recall seeing large numbers of people so happy to see a President lose an election. It looks like the White House is entirely surrounded by celebrants. It must be quite loud inside:


Times Square:

 
In February Trump will be outside the tent getting pissed on, having said that he will probably be singing ‘Happy Days Are Here Again’ and laughing.
 
I'm going to allow myself some optimism about a Biden administration for today.

It's true that Biden in a different time would basically be like Clinton - nominally left of centre but not really meaningfully so, kept things ticking along as normal without making them too much worse and without really doing much to improve things.

However, the 2020s are not shaping up to be anything like the 1990s or the 00s. An unprecedented rate of technological change is leading to severe social and economic dislocation, which has been accelerated by the pandemic. Long festering issues such as rising property prices, ballooning student debt, stagnant wages and the lack of jobs that can provide a decent standard of living, and increasing rate of climate disasters (among which I'd include the pandemic) are reaching the point where they are so serious that at some point in the next decade capitalism will need to restructure itself in some way to survive. You can see that even big tech capitalists are rethinking how capitalism works, hence the interest in Universal Basic Income and so on.

That is to say, I don't think that it is really possible for Biden to be another Clinton or even an Obama anymore than a President during the 1940s could just coast. We're living through a time of crisis and there has to be something different offered.

There's also a kind of generational change underway where the complacent boomers are becoming less relevant and new generations of politicians (e.g. AOC) are rising up who are a bit more radical and at a bit more in touch with how tough life is in late capitalism is. I feel like momentum is with them now in a way it wasn't under Obama and they should exert some influence on policy direction.

Biden won't stand in 2024, but if Harris serves 2024-28, there is every chance that a lot of positive stuff could get done during the 20s. It would be good if the Democratic Party has some rethink about why blue collar workers in Ohio and Michigan voted for Trump and if they try to start addressing their concerns more.

I'm being blindly optimistic here, but if there is a second term for Harris there is a good chance that a lot more could get done than we'd expect - a "green new deal", decent public healthcare, addressing student debt and fixing the housing market are some significant but plausible achievements that could happen.

Of course, maybe nothing will improve - but I think there is some hope that the 2020s will be a decade of reform akin to the post-war era. If Trump won a second term however, then the 2020s would seem more likely to be marked by a descent into fascism or civil war.

Maybe nothing will change, the Democrats will have learned nothing from their failures, and a smarter version of Trump will bring fascism to the USA in 2024.

But at least there is a sliver of hope now, whereas a second Trump term would be a disaster for the world.

Today is a good day.
You just come across as completely deluded to me.
 
fuck that guy, when is Trump addressing the nation next?

hes tweeting again ...

Donald J. Trump(@realDonaldTrump)
THE OBSERVERS WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE COUNTING ROOMS. I WON THE ELECTION, GOT 71,000,000 LEGAL VOTES. BAD THINGS HAPPENED WHICH OUR OBSERVERS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE. NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE SENT TO PEOPLE WHO NEVER ASKED FOR THEM!



November 7, 2020
 
I know we all (collectively) do it to some degree, but the most disgraceful aspect for me is not the noisy hardcore card-carrying racist scumbags who at the end of the day are a small minority, but the hundred+ million of “mainstream” Republicans who still voted for him this time around despite knowing, if not publicly admitting, what a disgraceful, unchristian, abominable piece of fucking shit he is.

It’s not as if the alternative was is Cz devil incarnate ffs. What would actually take for those cunts to think ‘mmm that bloke is actually a proper wrong one, can’t vote for him’ ?
 
Don't say that...

I actually think even a lot of high up Republicans will come to see him as a loon, especially if the handover is as weird as it's likely to be.
They always have, but it doesn't necessarily have much of a direct bearing on anything if he decides to run for 2024 (I don't think he will, though).
 
hes tweeting again ...

Donald J. Trump(@realDonaldTrump)
THE OBSERVERS WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE COUNTING ROOMS. I WON THE ELECTION, GOT 71,000,000 LEGAL VOTES. BAD THINGS HAPPENED WHICH OUR OBSERVERS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE. NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE SENT TO PEOPLE WHO NEVER ASKED FOR THEM!



November 7, 2020
I saw that, but I want to see his grey, dead pallor and hear his beaten voice
 
I notice btw, that people are reacting in a way that conveys they think Trump has gone for good. Thing is he potentially has one more term left if Biden is voted out in the future.

Hard to do that as an independent. Or an exile. Or in prison.

Have some fucking joy for people who he's oppressed and are celebrating right now. It's not about you.
 
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