US election 2020 thread

[Smokeandsteam]

So glad I got up early to watch that. Fading populist shtick vs the faux righteous outrage of America’s professional middle class. Both candidates spoke, essentially, to their bases. Neither developed any semblance of a narrative. The constant interruptions and talking over others (mainly by Trump and the piss poor host) made it close to unwatchable for long periods.

It’s impossible for me to know the mood in America but I did get the impression that Trump’s rhetoric felt less impactful as Americans have had 5 years of the noise now. Biden avoided any major blunders, and rumoured ill health related collapses but was really uninspired.

What did the debate achieve or tell us? Nothing. I spent most of the debate thinking that Sanders could have electrified that type of debate - challenged ‘the real’ that both candidates present as inevitable. I wondered how he would have played out in a Covid infested, racially toxic country where 10 million are unemployed.

 

[Yossarian]

Biden avoided any major blunders, and rumoured ill health related collapses but was really uninspired.

He seemed the most animated when he forcefully rejected any connection to Bernie Sanders, the Green New Deal, and universal healthcare and declared: "I am the Democratic Party."

Like Hillary Clinton before him, he seems less interested in getting Sanders supporters to the polls than he is in trying to win over mythical undecided Rust Belt voters who are still swithering between him and Trump.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

He seemed the most animated when he forcefully rejected any connection to Bernie Sanders, the Green New Deal, and universal healthcare and declared: "I am the Democratic Party."

Like Hillary Clinton before him, he seems less interested in getting Sanders supporters to the polls than he is in trying to win over mythical undecided Rust Belt voters who are still swithering between him and Trump.

Definitely. He couldn’t wait to condemn any sense that he might be a candidate of transformational change. The concept that the approach adopted by Biden will mobilise ‘the rust belt’ does speak to the reality that the Democrats have learned nothing since 2016.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

They’ve learnt nothing, Trump is going to win by fair means or foul, we’re all fucked.

 

[A380]

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Having heard/read the coverage...

Yeah, nothing I've read about it makes me want to the watch whole thing. Was it even a debate?

 

[Aladdin]

That debate was like two kids and a teacher trying to get to the bottom of an issue. One keeps interrupting and talking over the other one.

Trump came across as a bullish nasty piece of work... a complete nut and Biden is right to call him a clown.

Biden did not come across strongly because he barely got a word in. And Trump deliberately prevented him from talking. The organisers of that debate should have turned off Trumps mic when Biden was talking. The debate organisers fucked up there. There was no way Trump should have been allowed to constantly interrupt.
Trump was bullish and ignorant. And its clear that this is how he deals with everyone.

I hope Biden gets this but the orange asshole's lies keep convincing the bible bashers and those of a similar IQ level to himself. Biden was not strong enough. And Trump kept glaring and acting like a shit when Biden did get a chance to talk.

It was like an episode of the Simpsons only not as funny.

Biden calling Trump a "clown" was a highlight.

 

[cupid_stunt]

So, who won?

(CNN)Six in 10 debate watchers said former Vice President Joe Biden did the best job in Tuesday's debate, and just 28% say President Donald Trump did, according a CNN Poll of debate watchers conducted by SSRS.

In interviews with the same voters conducted before the debate, 56% said they expected Biden to do the better job while 43% expected that Trump would.

However, you can't read too much into that, because...

The post-debate result is about the same as the outcome of a post-debate poll in 2016 after the first debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton. In that poll, 62% thought Clinton won the debate, 27% said Trump did.

The voters who watched the debate were more partisan than Americans as a whole -- 36% identified as independents or non-partisans compared with around 40% in the general public, and the group of debate watchers was more Democratic than a typical survey of all adults, with 39% identifying as Democrats and 25% as Republicans.

Post-debate CNN poll: Six in 10 say Biden won the debate

Six in 10 debate watchers said former Vice President Joe Biden did the best job in Tuesday's debate, and just 28% say President Donald Trump did, according a CNN Poll of debate watchers conducted by SSRS.

edition.cnn.com

 

[TomUS]

So, who won?

Unfortunately I think Trump did. He was constantly on the attack and Biden didn't know what to say much of the time. The Dems. make the mistake of underestimating their opposition. Trump is a TV performer. The talking heads on the media were outraged with his antics but the debate energized Trump's base but not Biden's I think.

 

[bimble]

Not a soul will have changed their intended vote as a result of that shitshow will they. I can imagine some tuning in to the pointless noise of it and thinking a plague on both of them turning off the tv and deciding not to bother voting after all, which would only help trump.

 

[frogwoman]

I think Biden ignoring/distancing himself from Sanders base could turn out to be a massive mistake.

 

[Aladdin]

So, who won?

Post-debate CNN poll: Six in 10 say Biden won the debate

Six in 10 debate watchers said former Vice President Joe Biden did the best job in Tuesday's debate, and just 28% say President Donald Trump did, according a CNN Poll of debate watchers conducted by SSRS.

edition.cnn.com

No winners.

The US is lost

 

[Johnny Vodka]

No winners.

The US is lost

Democracy is fucked. Democracy isn't just about being able to cast a vote (even if that was easy for all Americans).

 

[killer b]

As far as I can tell, the only thing to land from either side is Biden telling Trump to shut up, so I call it a win for Biden.

 

[Aladdin]

When asked to condemn white supremacy Trump muffled and blustered and didnt...he eventually said..

"Proud Boys stand back and stand by"

That's enough to show where that fucker is going with this.
He wants chaos.

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Not a soul will have changed their intended vote as a result of that shitshow will they. I can imagine some tuning in to the pointless noise of it and thinking a plague on both of them

That’s why I wished it I hadn’t set the alarm to watch the recording of it. There was zero attempt by either to move from outside of their base. For Trump that was always going to be the plan. Biden though, even with the format and blabbering interruptions, didn’t even try to engage or to shift horizons or present new ideas. There was literally nothing to inspire hope or change. He’s fucking useless

 

[belboid]

Why do you need to set an alarm if you recorded it?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I think Biden ignoring/distancing himself from Sanders base could turn out to be a massive mistake.

His strategy seems to be to offer up cherry picked policy from Sanders campaign while dumping the man, his ideas and the energy and politics that inspire the policy. It’s a spectacularly opportunistic and stupid. It doesn’t resonate or land as a result.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Why do you need to set an alarm if you recorded it?

So I could watch it before going to work

 

[two sheds]

Start the day off right

 

[SheilaNaGig]

But it really isn't. Clinton's lead over Trump was erratic but on average only a few points and she never reached over 50% support. Biden's lead over Trump has been consistent at about 6-9% since March, with him regularly polling over 50%. The amount of third party party support in 2016 was significant enough to be polled, in 2020 it is pretty much irreverent. In 2018 the turnout was the highest for 100 years, the anti-Trump vote was at least as motivated as the pro-Trump vote.

Trump may still win, the electoral college is biased in his favour, but he is in a worse situation than he was in 2016.

Of course the political situation is different. I understand that.

I’m saying that I feel just as I did, “it feels the same” in the sense that I feel the same way I did when I felt certain that Trump would win despite all arguments to the contrary.

I can’t support this with clever debate. It’s a gut feeling.

 

[belboid]

So I could watch it before going to work

Fuck. That’s wise than staying up to watch it.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Start the day off right

That’s exactly what I thought as I switched the tele off and got the bus in the pissing cold rain.

 

[two sheds]

Yep still raining here, I tried to get the dog to go out, even held umbrella over her, but she just looked at me like I'm stupid.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Trump appealing to his base of nazis and pedos, Biden trying to appeal to everyone else.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

A friend of mine who has worked under three administrations says this:



“The mood in DC is somber. I think most people are resigned to him winning. But more importantly, I think regardless of the outcome, it will degenerate into violence. It’s very disheartening.”

 

[cupid_stunt]

I recorded it, but having seen some of the lowlights on the news, that's more than enough, so I've deleted it.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Trump appealing to his base of nazis and pedos, Biden trying to appeal to everyone else.

Explain to me Jeff how you though Biden appealed to the unemployed auto worker in Kenosha, or those trapped in the abandoned districts of Detroit or Gary or the millions without healthcare? etc etc

 

[belboid]

There will be violence. I thought him telling the Proud Boys to ‘stand by’ was simply him being an incoherent fool but combined with the question on respecting the vote.... he is planning on violence before during and after the vote. America will burn. More.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I recorded it, but having seen some of the lowlights on the news, that's more than enough, so I've deleted it.

Wise. Free up space on the planner for the snooker or something