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US election 2020 thread

At one level it's bonkers having a postal vote system where you count anything with the election day postmark on it (ours have to just arrive by election afaik). However I suppose that gets round manoeuvres like trump sabotaging and slowing down the USPS. So, all good. :)
 
California was called one second after voting ended.
There's an article from AP here explaining how they decide whether to call a state. This is their reasoning for calling California immediately after the polls closed:

The AP declared Democrat Joe Biden the winner of California as soon as polls closed in the state, even though election officials there had yet to release any results from Tuesday’s presidential contest.

The news agency did so after results from AP VoteCast and an analysis of early voting statistics confirmed expectations that the state’s longstanding political trend in favor of Democratic presidential candidates will hold.
 
At one level it's bonkers having a postal vote system where you count anything with the election day postmark on it (ours have to just arrive by election afaik). However I suppose that gets round manoeuvres like trump sabotaging and slowing down the USPS. So, all good. :)
I think it's because their post can be seriously slow.
 
There's an article from AP here explaining how they decide whether to call a state. This is their reasoning for calling California immediately after the polls closed:

The AP declared Democrat Joe Biden the winner of California as soon as polls closed in the state, even though election officials there had yet to release any results from Tuesday’s presidential contest.

The news agency did so after results from AP VoteCast and an analysis of early voting statistics confirmed expectations that the state’s longstanding political trend in favor of Democratic presidential candidates will hold.

FRAUD :mad:
 
One thing that's been bugging me. Biden and a few others have been talking about the US being the 'oldest democracy in the world'. Is that a widley held belief in the US? I've never heard that claim made for the USA before.


It was made by George W Bush, and he got ridiculed for it (although, TBF, standards regarding what's ridiculous have changed a bit since then).

I think the answer was Iceland.
 
One thing that's been bugging me. Biden and a few others have been talking about the US being the 'oldest democracy in the world'. Is that a widley held belief in the US? I've never heard that claim made for the USA before.
Isn't it a constitutional republic?
 
Just to manage Georgia expectations: it's obviously going to be ridiculously close and there will be a recount I'd imagine. Overseas military ballots and provisional ballots could end up being significant rather than the footnotes they usually are. We may get a Biden lead soon but it won't be over!
 
One thing that's been bugging me. Biden and a few others have been talking about the US being the 'oldest democracy in the world'. Is that a widley held belief in the US? I've never heard that claim made for the USA before.
Finland is allegedly the oldest modern democracy. From 1906 abolishing both gender and race from exclusion from voting or serving in government.
 
Amazing (source: NYT live blog)
John James, a Republican who ran against Senator Gary Peters of Michigan in a contest that ended up being much closer than most public polling showed, is refusing to concede, citing vague and unsupported claims of cheating.

In a statement issued on Thursday, Mr. James said nothing of the presidential contest in Michigan, which President Trump lost and attempted to throw into doubt with a lawsuit that was promptly dismissed by a state judge.

But Mr. James did call for an investigation and expressed “deep concerns that millions of Michiganders may have been disenfranchised by a dishonest few who cheat.” He did not specify which government entity he hoped would investigate or offer an specifics about what kind of cheating he was referring to.
 
Finland is allegedly the oldest modern democracy. From 1906 abolishing both gender and race from excluding from voting or serving in government.
Indeed. That's a more meaningful way to judge it. But the US's claim doesn't hold up even if you allow that only allowing white men to vote while keeping millions of people as slaves makes you a democracy.
 
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