Uruguay vs England (Group D) Thursday 19th June 2014

[Gingerman]

I don't think it was realistic to hope for anything more than tight games with Italy and Uruguay. Tight games get decided by fine margins, and it was in the fine margins that England were deficient.

Game tonight was decided by a fine margin called Luis Suarez......

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Right, I'm a Chile fan for the next fortnight.
I do want to see Portugal go through, but that's largely so I can see Ronaldo cry in the knockout stages.

I think he's cried himself out nowadays....unfortunately but it's still worth a hope! I'd like Chile to go all the way too but Germany are my pick at the moment.

 

[Obnoxiousness]

Really? International football's nowhere near as good a pastime as club football.

There were about 7 Liverpool players on the pitch this evening.

But no, seriously... I am even going to opt out of this thread... because I no longer have any interest in footie.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Game tonight was decided by a fine margin called Luis Suarez......

Well, a good cross by Cavani and a freak deflection into his path as well...

 

[Lo Siento.]

There were about 7 Liverpool players on the pitch this evening.

But no, seriously... I am even going to opt out of this thread... because I no longer have any interest in footie.

I just can't fathom why you'd care that much about the England team?

 

[Balbi]

World class player holds position and uses talent to score two goals.

Lesser player charges about, cuts in from the left (where he's not best at) to score, and does almost fuck all for rest of game.

Ahem.

 

[nuffsaid]

Just a reminder in case not posted already.

 

[brogdale]

The original post didn't say when the bet would have to be made, so it could've been made after Spain were already out whereas England still aren't out. There's a minute chance we go through.

You've clearly had more than me! I said "were offered"...as in the past...as in before the comp started! Yer dullard.

 

[Gingerman]

Just a reminder in case not posted already.

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My fav

 

[Dandred]

Only six weeks ago, Gerrard and Johnson were consoling a distraught Suarez at the end of the match. Let's hope they are again on Thursday night.

LOL

 

[Ax^]

the sun not really helping it case with the idea to lets turn the nation against a liverpool player

 

[T & P]

Don't see why Rooney is being criticised. He scored a goal, hit the crossbar, narrowly missed a free kick, made some creative passes, created the goal in the last game. The problem is they aren't getting the ball to Rooney enough

Fuck knows I don't like Rooney very much but to be fair to him, it's not his fault if sections of the press continuously talk him up as being world class then rubbish him for not fulfilling his potential.

He is a great player but fell short of being one of the Greats. So what. He's still a good asset for England. Much as I'm tempted to enjoy the seemly inevitable backlash in the press if/when England goes out early, the obsession with him is as counterproductive as is unfair on Rooney.

 

[sleaterkinney]

There were about 7 Liverpool players on the pitch this evening.

But no, seriously... I am even going to opt out of this thread... because I no longer have any interest in footie.

Suarez
Coates
Gerrard
Sturridge
Sterling
Henderson
Johnson
Lambert

But the best one was Suarez.

 

[Batboy]

Alright. I don't think it's FA cronyism, I don't think it's a grass roots problem, I don't think it needs solving with the kids. I think we've got a good group of players, a mediocre coach and we lost 2 50/50 games against good opposition. No major overhauls of anything needed.

You are so Wrong, no major overhaul needed?, sorry you are deluded if you truly think this....

I work at grassroots level and have done for the last 8 years, I could write a bible on this. There is so much wrong with our attitude and approach to the game. There is huge raw talent that starts out and gets flattened by a lack of money, facilities and dreadful coaching/coaches and even more dreadful attitudes on the part of Joe Boggs the parent screaming from the touchline.The old guard at the FA are clueless to what needs to be done and stuck up their own rectum dining out on the riches of the game. The Germans totally overhauled themselves when they found themselves floundering in the football world. We bring in smaller games of 9 v 9 on the same shit pitches (this comment/observation by the way was from a 13 year old who plays for a team I coach) with a rule not to publish results for kids under 8 and we think we are revolutionising our game!

The money is at the top of the game, it stays there. For the few that make it into the professional academies 1000s get wasted. A professional club in the premier league would rather buy instant success from abroad than wait for young players to develop. Managers are under immense pressure to get results for fear of sack, that they bypass youth development in any meaningful way ( Southampton aside and they have gone into that direction largely because of past huge financial problems).

At grass roots level when you start harvesting kids that the professional academies then are interested in, you can effectively get back handers/incentives by becoming a clubs community coach (some clubs will pay you 1000-2000 per kid). The net result is mercenary shit FA level 2 coaches who backstab each other and lose sight of youth development for the right reasons. Everyone is looking for the quick fix.

We have average players by national standards, we have under performed for decades at international level (Even Greece and Denmark have won the Euros). This is the first time in 60 years that we are going home at this stage (yes I know a couple of times we didn't qualify)and that's with what you think is a good group of players. We lost those two games, there is a chance we will lose to Costa Rica ( they did beat Uruguay after all). So we lose all three game with good players and then no major overhauls are needed!? I don't think so. These good players will get flattened by both this experience and the environment of fear of failure generated by the likes of Steven Gerard the captain and most senior England player.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

proud to be cornish

 

[Lo Siento.]

You are so Wrong, no major overhaul needed?, sorry you are deluded if you truly think this....

I work at grassroots level and have done for the last 8 years, I could write a bible on this. There is so much wrong with our attitude and approach to the game. There is huge raw talent that starts out and gets flattened by a lack of money, facilities and dreadful coaching/coaches and even more dreadful attitudes on the part of Joe Boggs the parent screaming from the touchline.The old guard at the FA are clueless to what needs to be done and stuck up their own rectum dining out on the riches of the game. The Germans totally overhauled themselves when they found themselves floundering in the football world. We bring in smaller games of 9 v 9 on the same shit pitches (this comment/observation by the way was from a 13 year old who plays for a team I coach) with a rule not to publish results for kids under 8 and we think we are revolutionising our game!

The money is at the top of the game, it stays there. For the few that make it into the professional academies 1000s get wasted. A professional club in the premier league would rather buy instant success than wait for young players to develop. Managers are under immense pressure to get results for fear of sack, that they bypass youth development in any meaningful way ( Southampton aside and they have gone into that direction largely because of past huge financial problems).

At grass roots level when you start harvesting kids that the professional academies then are interested in, you can effectively get back handers/incentives by becoming a clubs community coach (some clubs will pay you 1000-2000 per kid). The net result is mercenary shit FA level 2 coaches who backstab each other and lose sight of youth development for the right reasons. Everyone is looking for the quick fix.

We have average players by national standards, we have under performed for decades at international level (Even Greece and Denmark have won the Euros). This is the first time in 60 years that we are going home at this stage (yes I know a couple of times we didn't qualify)and that's with what you think is a good group of players. We lost those two games, there is a chance we will lose to Costa Rica ( they did beat Uruguay after all). So we lose all three game with good players and then no major overhauls are needed!? I don't think so. These good players will get flattened by both this experience and the environment of fear of failure generated by the likes of Steven Gerard the captain and most senior England player.

(a) It doesn't really matter, it's only international football. If coaching in UK needs fixing because it's doing wrong by the kids then fix it for that good reason, not for the shit reason that England are rubbish every couple of years. Because only JCLs really care.

(b) Even if you fixed all of that, producing an international team that wins tournaments is mainly about a load of different factors all coming together at once of which youth coaching is a pretty minor part. England produce enough decent young players to be competitive in international tournaments at most youth levels. They've got a decent crop of kids now. But whether they ever become a great side has a whole bundle of uncontrollable variables that go beyond technique etc.

 

[strung out]

England are European under 17 champions!

 

[DexterTCN]

What? When did I say if only so and so played for us? (I assume that's what you mean as I can't see what bearing who plates our dinner up has on our chances)

What's hilarious is the desperate coat tail riding from ABES every time England are in a tournament that their shit team yet again failed to even have a sniff of qualifying for. It gets better on the rare occasion you do qualify and then you throw your toys out the pram when England fans rip the piss out of you for your team's piss poor performance. All part of the fun though I guess

Yup...and just now it's your turn. My pram has lots of toys btw.

 

[starfish]

I have Uruguay in another works sweepstake. Im not proud, i was just hoping to win something for most yellow cards in the group stages.

 

[Lo Siento.]

England are European under 17 champions!

As they were in 2010 (one of the winners made it on the pitch this evening). Seems a bit daft to conclude that the problem is happening before then... (not that there aren't problems with coaching just that it doesn't appear to be an impediment to producing sufficient talented footballers for the national team.

 

[strung out]

England are European under 17 champions!

I guess what I'm trying to say here is England are nailed on to be world champions in 2022.

 

[ska invita]

im genuinely down about the result..its got to me.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

My pram has lots of toys btw.

That's because you rarely qualify.

 

[pocketscience]

The underlying issue the England team have had for years in major tournaments is their psychology. It was wriiten all over their faces in the tunnel before the game and then confirmed after five minutes of play: No confidence or self belief!
The main tactical mistake (possibly impacted from the first issue) was to not trying to have the young kids running/dribbling through the Uruguayan defence.
If England would have run at them, Uruguay would have picked up yellow cards in quick succession and subsequently they's have needed to drop off the tight marking, enabling England the two meters of extra space on the ball they needed.
In nutshell - England bottled it.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Tournament winning sides need their players to be in form, they need a bit of luck on and off the pitch, a decent manager, a group of players who click together and play for each other, they need to work to a clear plan and they need to have a couple of special individuals.

England don't have the latter (although a couple of them might be in a few years), they were close to but not quite to players in form/plan/clicking together/playing for each other, didn't get much luck on or off the pitch. The sum total of that is that they're out. It's got sod all to do with the state of youth football.

 

[Wilf]

I guess what I'm trying to say here is England are nailed on to be world champions in 2022.

... if we grow a squad of mutants who can play in 50 degree heat.

 

[Lo Siento.]

I guess what I'm trying to say here is England are nailed on to be world champions in 2022.

Of the 2010 Champions only Ross Barkley is in the current squad, and most of them don't look like ever making it even as Prem journeymen sadly.

 

[ska invita]

The underlying issue the England team have had for years in major tournaments is their psychology. It was wriiten all over their faces in the tunnel before the game and then confirmed after five minutes of play: No confidence or self belief!

I do think England are particularly nervy - its hard to judge as a nervous fan but I think there is something wrong there - its hard to pinpoint why, its not as if teams like Brazil or Italy dont have the same of level of national interest in their teams

 

[pocketscience]

I do think England are particularly nervy - its hard to judge as a nervous fan but I think there is something wrong there - its hard to pinpoint why, its not as if teams like Brazil or Italy dont have the same of level of national interest in their teams

Maybe it's something to do with us being a nation of pessimists?
After the Italy game I was expecting an improvement on what was essentially an out of character performance but tonight, we just reverted back to the bad old days of previous tournaments, almost like a default DNA game-play.

 

[Lo Siento.]

I do think England are particularly nervy - its hard to judge as a nervous fan but I think there is something wrong there - its hard to pinpoint why, its not as if teams like Brazil or Italy dont have the same of level of national interest in their teams

I don't think it's nerves. I think Uruguay just had a better game plan that they executed better.