tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
I was waiting for the first mention of Harry. Would have made it funnier when we went out. Imagine his grumpy little face.
Uruguay vs England (Group D) Thursday 19th June 2014
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
You just need to look at the way the RFU run children's and youth rugby in this country. A continum of skills development from tag with coaches on the pitch at six to the full game at 12.
Also no screaming abuse at the children from parents and coaches, just encouragement (for both sides).
Development of young players by the premiership sides, almost all of whom have some kind of academy system and player loans.
The Home teams are built on this, and they win.
And you can drink whilst watching the games...
Also no screaming abuse at the children from parents and coaches, just encouragement (for both sides).
Development of young players by the premiership sides, almost all of whom have some kind of academy system and player loans.
The Home teams are built on this, and they win.
And you can drink whilst watching the games...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I just love the ritual of root and branch reform proposals that burst out very four years when we go out of he World Cup. Middle management at its best.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Totally agree with your basic position, but imo the FA Level 1 badge is not just bad because it is simple to the point of idiocy but because it contains exercises which are actually literally going to make young players worse. I had a personal epiphany while coaching a group using an exercise from the Level 1 handbook called "Robin Hood" and I realised that I was spending more time and energy stopping the kids queuing up from messing about with some loose footballs (and the queuing kids were 7 out of 8 of them at any one moment - i.e. 7/8 of them are just standing still, watching at any one time) than I was spending time on actually improving anyones' technique. I heard myself continually shouting "Leave that football alone!" - it would have been better if there had been no one coaching and they had just been left to mess around with the kit on their own - at least they'd have got some decent time on the ball and been practising feeling comfortable with that.
"Leave that football alone!" - is now my personal motto for FA-inspired coaching in England and with the help of it I have managed to completely wean myself off their ideas for coaching children.
What I would disagree with is your characterisation of Level 2 as "adding beans" to the toast of Level 1. I think the Level 2 is a decent enough course as it stands and imo most would-be coaches will learn a lot of interesting stuff doing that course, including technical breakdowns of certain skills which I certainly wish I had known as a player. The problem with the L2 imo is that it is completely non-applicable to children, you'd have to be working with at least young teenagers to be able to apply any of the L2 learning. So we're left with a L1 which is simplistic to the point of idiocy (and so badly thought out that it will turn youngsters off and de-skill them) followed by a L2 which is basically for grown ups. So between the ages of ?3/?4/whenever you start trying to influence young players up to teenage years (i.e. exactly the age group which the overwhelming majority coaches will be working with) there is basically absolutely nothing useful from the FA.
Personally I now always start with every child with a ball at their feet for at least the first 15 minutes of any session, often more. If it does nothing else it temporarily sates their need for ball-time and thus makes them less fidgety and more attentive later, but it also means that ALL of them get to be comfortable with the ball at their feet, not just those who happen to be "good" when they are 5 and then monopolise the ball in their playing groups for the next 15 years. I think psychologically it also means that there is a message being sent from the coaches that says "you are here to learn how to use the football".
I have seen so many coaching sessions at so many football clubs start off with youngsters being sent off to do (pretty pointless) things like running round the pitch for 10 minutes as a "warm-up" right at the beginning and I always think, fucksake, why not at least give them a ball and tell them to dribble round the pitch, at least they'd get be getting some ball time - but what's actually going on is that they are "learning" to think of football as a macho, army-style initiation rite into contemporary British masculinity. What bullshit.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
I'd say yes, and taking on board most of what Batboy said above about UEFA badge holding numbers (very eye opening data there) and several cultural coaching style issues he alluded to I'd say there is a much wider problem at hand.
What was it Geoff Thompson (ex FA Chairman) said in 2007 after they Sacked Steve McLaren? There will be a "full root and branch examination of the whole England senior team set-up" - yeah. So seven years later and they've achieved what? A fail manager in Capello, a bungled £6 million a year contract top level disputes over John Terry's captaincy and then having to pay off Capello over a million to resign
and then there''s the youth development - what Lo Siento said earlier, of all the players from the England Under 17 Champions in 2010 only one player Ross Barkley is in the current squad and barely any of them are excelling in the domestic league. It's pitiful from a country of over 50 Million with so much money invested in the game to be producing such lame results.When you look then at the success of UK Sport and what they achieved across the board from Team GB consistently in the Olympics since the dark days of Atlanta 96 one gold medal, through to the huge successes in 2008 and 2012 it makes you think that the problem isn't the sporting talents of the population, it's the health of the professional game, and the big money and middle aged white men in the FA controlling it. And its sad to see. So fuck modern football, fuck the FA, fuck Sepp Blatter and fuck FIFA. Also fuck Qatar 2022 and fuck the Brazilian Government for screwing over their own people and granting FIFA tax free status with all the trimmings. They're ruining the best game in the world while taking food off the plates of developing countries, literally killing migrant workers building stadia in the case of Qatar - all for lining the pockets of big sponsors and ego politicians. I'm getting away from the point, but has there ever been a duller looking England side? Fuckin Rooney and Gerrard's faces. They're almost as punchable as Luis Suarez (and that's a very punchable face). They just don't have any entertainment value - any of them. Not a single member of the England squad do I want to listen to in any post match interview. They're dead-eyed and uncharismatic on the pitch and its reflected off the pitch. They don't got a Gazza, or a John Barnes, or Scholes or a Michael Owen any more. Just mediocre b-rate team. Zero flair up front, just a puffed out looking Rooney and Steven knobing Gerrard with that screwed up face he does all the time. uuugh. And all future hope in who, Sturrage? Wellbeck? what. It's painful to watch when you know how much money they're all on, and the money splashing about at the FA who've done what since 2007? More big money top end projects like that £100 Million for that FA Centre with 12 full-size pitches, sports science facility, two hotels and conference centre. Great, but what about the grassroots stuff, the imbalance of qualified UEFA coaches? It seems like they're missing the important stuff.
Anyway....
I'm going to bed now.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
TBF those very radical proposals from Greg Dyke et al about setting up second team clubs for the big clubs which would then play in the lower leagues came out at least a couple of months before England's two defeats. Personally I can't remember any really radical proposals being made by anyone with any power before since the establishment of the short-lived Lillieshall School of Excellence in the mid-1980s. What we usually get is tinkering around the edges.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
The English FA don't give a flying fuck about grassroots football in this country (or anywhere else for that matter). They do care about the failure of the national side to ever achieve anything but that's just about creating an effective super-elite. For many of us, looking after the grassroots makes the likelihood of a super-elite emerging naturally much bigger but that's a genuine long term strategy. For many of us it'd also be a win whatever it achieves because you'd have a load more people playing and enjoying the game and getting some amazing experiences out of it.
The FA just want a World Cup or a European Championship asap, and they always revert to working with an existing programme of "elite players" (we are talking children here) - they're not going to run a 20 year investment programme in improving the grassroots.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Their report on that stuff is out in a few months I think. I don't hold out much hope though, especially if it's anything like the other one (fuck off with your feeder clubs Dyke).
I put a small consolation bet on Uraguay. I habitually back the opposition when England or Crystal Palace play. I am gutted (and other football clichés.) Not unexpected but it's the hope that fucks you up every time. After Rooney's equaliser, there was a brief period... Then back to reality.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Uruguay still 40/1 to win the World Cup. Might put a cheeky tenner on that.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
not bothered, lolFuck it...I didn't expect much but that was a scared performance...I'm not surprised though after they thought it was good for Gerrard\Lampard to have a team talk saying how bad it is if you lose and it ruins your summer/year.....Jesus Fuck...not exactly inspiritational is it?
I'm over it already though... as someone that was watching England in Espana82 when I was 8....it no longer surprises me and I had a lack of expectations.
I did like the general ethos from Roy and the team before match but it didn't seem to carry over.....they did try though and still have a miniscule chance..like fuck
ddraig.... your just a lickspittle little cunt.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
alfajobrob
You most certainly weren't watching England at España 82.
You most certainly weren't watching England at España 82.
And that's why the gambling companies love the World Cup.
They narrowly beat a pretty shit team last night. That kind of performance won't take them past holland or Germany. Suarez was actually limping when he scored the second so if he's out that's that.
mack
Fact Me Till I Fart
Meh - we'll get better, a couple of years worth of European football experience will improve the likes Sturridge, Sterling, Lallana, Barkley etc. etc.
Felt we really should have put Sterling in the middle - going straight at Godin on a yellow so early, get him sent off - then Suarez would have been subbed off for a defender and we would have won the game and gone on to win the world cup.
Ah well - till next time.
Felt we really should have put Sterling in the middle - going straight at Godin on a yellow so early, get him sent off - then Suarez would have been subbed off for a defender and we would have won the game and gone on to win the world cup.
Ah well - till next time.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
not bothered, lol
I think he's just trying to describe what it feels like to get knocked out of a World Cup after two decent performances, but until you've experienced it, you can only really guess what it feels like (I'm guessing you're Welsh? It will almost certainly never happen to you).
ska invita
back on the other side
no, i had a bad feeling we wouldn't make it out of the group stage, but for whatever reason I somehow got sucked in and started caring about the team again, which I havent for a while. I'm looking forward to seeing the back of Rooney and Gerrard and having a completely fresh faced squad of England players. I genuinely like a few of the new faces and don't particularly resent those I don't know much about. The last batch of England players just punched too many djs, got involved in too many gang-bangs, came out with racist comments, etc etc, i couldn't get behind them. Im sure football will corrupt this new batch too (if it hasnt already) but for now i'm enjoying thinking the best of them.
Another major factor is just that circumstances mean I'm deliberately getting involved in the competition and getting a bit emotionally wrapped up is all part of the cheap fun of it.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
Me too. It paid for my beer last night at least.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
after saying how not bothered yes
and yes Wales are shit and will likely never make the world cup, so what, at least we don't delude ourselves that we are any good like englund, and spares us another 4 years of "hurt" awww
and all the shit in the media/shops (well we're lumped in but less of it down here thank fuck)34+14 = 48 years of hurt, not long til 50 now!
2 decent performances??
classic, keep believing!
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
So, Hodgson "hasn't considered resigning". How many are really expecting him too? I don't think he's done too bad a job to be honest, given the resources he has, and who would have done a better job (that is also likely to take the job!)? For once I think we should have a bit of stability, keep Hodgson working with these players and see where we go from there. I can't see a much better option.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
Godin should have been sent off anyway for his forearm on Sturridge, but the ref bottled it and he clearly wasn't going to make any game-changing controversial decisions.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I just feel sorry for Gareth Bale.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
no you feel gutted because he won't ever play for you, same as giggs
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Where was the delusion? I think most on here were agreed that, while this team might pull something out of the bag, it was always going to be difficult to get through the group, letalone anywhere further, and that we'd need a bit of luck and some poor performances from the opposition to help.
Yes, there are England flags and other paraphanalia in the shops - show me a country where football is the number one sport that doesn't have similar, regardless of how their team is expected to do. People care a lot about football and enjoy getting into the occassion of it all, or should we only fly flags and buy novelty phone cases when the team are doing well?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Nah, I expected an early bath and was over it 1 minute after last nights game finished. I'm Ivory Coast now.
I do genuinely feel bad for Welsh players of quality. The likes of Bale and Giggsy will never compete in the tournament that's the pinnacle of every footballer's career and that's gotta hurt.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
no quite right, no delusion, no englund expects, no massive over hype, no disappointment, no jingoism, no blame finding, no anger, no clutching at straws saying 'we're still in it', no "if only, Suarez played for us" no pathetic digs about great players that aren't english not playing for you
no, none of it
no, none of it
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