Urban v's the Commentariat

[DotCommunist]

he aint heavy, he's my non coporeal brother

 

[DaveCinzano]

Julian Assange as Barney Sumner in the New Order biopic?

 

[emanymton]

when was the last time that someone got attacked in the street because of thinking they're a dragon? when was the last time their beliefs about being a dragon stopped them getting a job or people got forced out of their homes and killed etc coz they think they're dragons?
never.

it's made up bullshit on the internet. and if someone is treated badly on that basis it's because of how mental illness is treated in society and millions of other mentally ill people go through the same thing.

Well exactly, being black, being guy, being a women are all real things and things over which people are oppressed. Being (or having once been) a dragon or an elf or whatever is not, and you cannot therefore be oppresed because of it. Really believing it is however very possibility a mental illness and you can be operssed because of that. If you tell someone you believe are really a dragon, and they call you a fucking nutter and take the piss, you are not being oppresed for being a dragon, you are being oppresed because you suffer from a delusion.

 

[Ax^]

people who follow wicca see the above post

 

[Pickman's model]

Well exactly, being black, being guy, being a women are all real things and things over which people are oppressed. Being (or having once been) a dragon or an elf or whatever is not, and you cannot therefore be oppresed because of it. Really believing it is however very possibility a mental illness and you can be operssed because of that. If you tell someone you believe are really a dragon, and they call you a fucking nutter and take the piss, you are not being oppresed for being a dragon, you are being oppresed because you suffer from a delusion.

 

[revol68]

Well exactly, being black, being guy, being a women are all real things and things over which people are oppressed. Being (or having once been) a dragon or an elf or whatever is not, and you cannot therefore be oppresed because of it. Really believing it is however very possibility a mental illness and you can be operssed because of that. If you tell someone you believe are really a dragon, and they call you a fucking nutter and take the piss, you are not being oppresed for being a dragon, you are being oppresed because you suffer from a delusion.

They are being oppressed by the truth, the best form of oppression and one we should aim to generalise!

 

[Pickman's model]

Well exactly, being black, being guy, being a women are all real things and things over which people are oppressed. Being (or having once been) a dragon or an elf or whatever is not, and you cannot therefore be oppresed because of it. Really believing it is however very possibility a mental illness and you can be operssed because of that. If you tell someone you believe are really a dragon, and they call you a fucking nutter and take the piss, you are not being oppresed for being a dragon, you are being oppresed because you suffer from a delusion.

 

[butchersapron]

What's that - Dr Who?

 

[Pickman's model]

What's that - Dr Who?

the dragons off dragon's den.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

It's like Ian Hislop on Have I Got News For You

 

[Belushi]

As a Welsh I'm both insulted and oppressed by people masquerading as my national beast

Do I get a spoke on the wheel of oppression now?

 

[Pickman's model]

As a Welsh I'm both insulted and oppressed by people masquerading as my national beast

Do I get a spoke on the wheel of oppression now?

yes, poking into your kidneys

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Don't indulge in taffplay

 

[DaveCinzano]

Don't indulge in taffplay

Or if you do make sure you have a tidy, safe word

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you empathise with the poor downtrodden Otherkin?

Nope, I'm one of the fuckers treading them down, the pseudo-supernatural douchebags.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They're not people though. They're fucking dragons.

No, they're emotionally-disturbed people who have the delusion that they're dragons, elves, werewolves, vampires etc.
Notice how none of them claim to be a gnome or a goblin or an orc, though? I've never seen an otherkin who reckons they're one of Saruman's fighting Uruk-Hai.

 

[ViolentPanda]

people who follow wicca see the above post

You could say that to followers of any religion.

 

[ViolentPanda]

As a Welsh I'm both insulted and oppressed by people masquerading as my national beast

Do I get a spoke on the wheel of oppression now?

Shouldn't you get multiple ones for being an Aussie Polack Taff?

 

[miktheword]

No, they're emotionally-disturbed people who have the delusion that they're dragons, elves, werewolves, vampires etc.
Notice how none of them claim to be a gnome or a goblin or an orc, though? I've never seen an otherkin who reckons they're one of Saruman's fighting Uruk-Hai.

so what's a goblin then?

 

[Ax^]

You could say that to followers of any religion.

aye but when i imagine a situation where i end up in a discussion with someone who think they share a soul with a dragon on an alternative plane of existence i envision them wearing purple velvet effect clothing and having a penchant for cats

 

[emanymton]

No, they're emotionally-disturbed people who have the delusion that they're dragons, elves, werewolves, vampires etc.
Notice how none of them claim to be a gnome or a goblin or an orc, though? I've never seen an otherkin who reckons they're one of Saruman's fighting Uruk-Hai.

I think it was earlier in this thread were I pondered the idea of trolling an otherkin message board claiming to be an orc.

 

[Brechin Sprout]

Because no one with mental health problems can have any positive input to the world. Fuck 'em all. Dragons? Pfffftttt! There's Jesus Christs walking abroad!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Because no one with mental health problems can have any positive input to the world. Fuck 'em all. Dragons? Pfffftttt! There's Jesus Christs walking abroad!

It's not about contributing, and/or whether you have mental health problems. it's about expecting everyone else to go along with your delusion because you're a supernatural being!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think it was earlier in this thread were I pondered the idea of trolling an otherkin message board claiming to be an orc.

They'd probably insta-ban you for being the wrong sort of otherkin.

 

[emanymton]

Because no one with mental health problems can have any positive input to the world.

No one has suggested that though. All that has been suggested on here by myself and some others is that it should be seen as a mental health issue and that they suffer oppression on that basis, and only on that basis.

Fuck 'em all. Dragons? Pfffftttt! There's Jesus Christs walking abroad!

This is an interesting point and one I have been thinking about. What they believe is not really any more outlandish than many mainstream religions.
I think there are two differences though.

1, It is one thing to believe in the existence of say Angels, and quite another to believe that you are one.

2, I am not sure I can expresses this very well, but more mainstream religion is 'normalized' within our society, and therefore when placed in this context it is much more reasonable for people to hold these beliefs. Not to mention the fact that many do not take it literally.

 

[Theisticle]

Penny finds a giant idiot on the internet and dedicates a great time of writing to explain her short hair. Journalism. http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-...scissors-women-short-hair-political-statement

 

[Bakunin]

Shouldn't you get multiple ones for being an Aussie Polack Taff?

Totting up the disabilities, chronic illnesses, social exclusion and ethnic mix, I get a full wheel.

If it weren't for the bipolar they'd give me a set of steak knives and ornamental fright mask as well.

 

[rekil]

Which one of you was this

I'm virtually bald and I find this discussion of hair and its wider social and societal import deeply offensive and exclusionary. You bloody people are quite happy to indulge in this narcissistic game of calling each other out over minor ideological differences or putative hierarchies of privilege; denouncing each other as cis-centric or crypto-colonialist or whatever the f**k ism is on the menu this week! yet both the original piece and this response make no mention of the hairless.
Shame on you all.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Genuine question - does this actually happen or is this artistic license from lp?

total strangers coming up to tell me how much prettier I’d be if I only grew it out. People have done this when I’ve been quietly working on my laptop in cafes, because I really need to be interrupted in the middle of a deadline to be told I need to work harder on my girl game.

I've always had a thing for women with short hair myself so none of this really makes sense to me.

 

[belboid]

Genuine question - does this actually happen or is this artistic license from lp?

I've always had a thing for women with short hair myself so none of this really makes sense to me.

it does sound plausible to me, seen similar things happen quite often. some peoples cheek is quite astounding.

of course, if le penster did her work at home, or in an office, that wouldn't happen to her