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Urban v's the Commentariat

The questions might be based on this truly awful article - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/29/feminism-needs-new-intellectual-voice

Despite the authors oxbridge education, being assistant editor of the LRB and calling for a new intellectialism for the '4th wave', still has less of an understanding what 2nd and 3rd wave feminism means than a 5 minitue glance at wikipedia would teach.

I hate articles like that. have read it twice and still don't really know what the writer was trying to say, or what the point of the article was. Glad that it has been said to be crap, cause otherwise id be feeling proper thick just now :)
 
Owen unhappy with the standard of debate from lefties on the twitter, as if debate is even possible on the twitter. (Somebody said he smelled of wee or something)

yes, and this is normally what I get from the ultra-left. Not even a pretence at trying to debate any substance

Helen Lewis chips in.

https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/418732184384446464

lewis said:
"their interest is not in reducing oppression as much as it is in reducing their own participation in it"

That's a quote from a Matt Bruenig piece which links to a Jacobin article by Gavin Mueller about the bratty idiocy of Malcolm Harris to illustrate his point.

Bruenig said:
One of the most frustrating things about being on the left is the profound number of clowns who situate themselves beside me. We’ve got generational warfare clowns. We’ve got New Age gibberish clowns. We’ve got conspiracy theory clowns. And of course, we’ve got hippie drum circle clowns.

I call these, and others, clowns because they’re behavior seems primarily aimed at personal performance and tends to be accompanied by self-marginalizing lifestyles and costumes. While they seem to retain a broad thematic interest in left goals and can even occasionally explain them to you, their actions are more about personal lifestyles than about any principled interest in success.

This is especially true among the often-ridiculed, privileged, college student radicals. You know the type: the white kid going to an expensive private school on their parents’ dime, just wanting to learn how to lead The Good Life. These individuals are not generally interested in the kind of boring, long, and often unsuccessful work of running campaigns and winning. They are interested in their own personal purity, ridding themselves of the toxicity of living wrongly, oppressively, with unchecked privilege, and so on.
(It's 'their' not 'they're' btw ffs)

A fairly succinct description of forum faves Malc, Molly, Laurie, Stavri, and their gamut of mates (or allies) I would've thought, though perhaps the level of ambition and saponaceous schmoozing involved in carving careers out of lifestylism distinguishes them from other hobbyist poshos.
 
So, basically, the softer-left segment of these clowns think that anyone who is within their circle but disagrees with them over their already incredibly narrow (but posing as universal) politics are ineffective in their clowning - they need to get serious in their clowning? And still they all piss in the same overflowing pot.
 
Owen unhappy with the standard of debate from lefties on the twitter, as if debate is even possible on the twitter.

The fact that he wants to have a debate on twitter tells me all I need to know about him.

Burbling on about "do you really think I'm on the right...?"

Twitter is the right, if the term means anything.
 
Let's challenge OJ, LP and Hellsbells to a debate (venue: new statesman offices; date: when the PD hammer squads decide to pounce and occupy them)

Some of us have already debated OJ, he did well considering he was out for a quiet pint and ended up surrounded by inebriated Urbanites :D
 
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Some of us have already debated OJ, he did well considering he was out for a quiet pint and ended up surrounded by inebriated Urbanites :D
Not one step back!
Not without their charging extortionate expenses and appearance fees, it wouldn't.
They wouldn't show up under any circumstances because unless they appear somewhere to grace the povs with a sermon, and it's been said often enough, the only people that matter to them are others in that bubble. But a public refusal to debate might well go down as a victory in PD's book (of victories)
 
We will impose debate upon them.

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