Urban v's the Commentariat
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Is it just me or was it utterly bizarre that they were talking about the elite like *they weren't* the elite?
The Pale King
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On the front page of her blog, this quote from her appears:
“The challenge is to make online abuse as despised as racism at football matches.”
...equating herself with a victim of racism because she got some strong criticism of her blog posts. Stay classy.
Evan Davis makes me want to kill. I've given up on Radio 4 as general background listening a while ago.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
When did I shit myself?
When I shit myself? The bit when I worked and saved to go to Nepal to go do a little something. Maybe I should stayed on the Internet and said something political.
SpineyNorman
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On R4 now:
Summer NightsWhat's the Point of an Elite?
Evan Davis asks why our elites are so resilient and what purpose they serve.
All bar one (an American) of the panellists went to private/public schools and all apart from Fraser Nelson and the American to Oxbridge. The panel of course, are talking about 'the elite' as the other.
ETA: Sorry, Maurice Glasman went to a comprehensive -- he mumbled something or other so looked him up to check.
ETA2 Oh God, it's absolutely appalling. Should be compulsory listening for everyone posting on this thread... (Baggsy first shot at Fraser Nelson when he's up against the wall.)
It's here if anyone wants to torture themselves.
Rape threats are pretty serious even if it is online.
Obviously there is a lot of online misogyny, it's an easy channel for every kind of unreflective response and posting that relies on anger, self-righteousness and hate seems particularly addictive. Personally, I wouldn't have thought twitter was a space worth defending, my reaction is why fucking bother? but obviously other women disagree and if you're a journalist then it's part of your job.ccccccccc`1q
ETA: I wasn't going to post that but it seems I did. Maybe it was the cat.
Fozzie Bear
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Tempting offer from LP:
https://twitter.com/pennyred/status/370482127907069952
https://twitter.com/pennyred/status/370482127907069952
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
she's quite happy to discriminate against people on the basis of access to the internet i see.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
maybe you should have kept quiet
The Pale King
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I agree with you. I didn't see any personal threats on the twitter timeline she posted, just strong criticism of her blog post. But I'm sure she must have had that kind of thing before and it is, as you say, pretty serious.
What got to me was the gross lack of self awareness. The criticism is because she wrote about the work of a black, female blogger and said she was 'everything wrong with modern feminism'. Some people on twitter have noticed that when she's of a mind to police feminism, Ms Lewis seems to go in for criticising black writers (shades of Hugo Schwyzer). In that context, explicitly linking herself to anti-racist struggle seemed to me incredibly crass. But that's the Oxbridge brass neck for you.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Bit derogatory to apprenticeships, given that what internships generally are, are work trials in shape and duration, where the putative employer gets to assess your "fit" to their company without any of the responsibilities and obligations that an apprenticeship places on employers.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And the risk of becoming poor is significantly lessened if you can gull people into voluntary labour (in the case of interns) and/or act as part of a government scheme that coerces labour from people who are "out of work".
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Intern" is a construction that allows exploiter and exploited to feel better about their relationship - the business (as ever!) feels that they're doing you a favour, letting you work for nowt, and the (almost always unpaid) person volunteering their time in the hope of eventual employment can kid themselves that they're not either a sap being gulled by capitalism or a goon marking time until their social capital helps make a place available to them, that they are gaming the system rather than the system gaming them.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
An apprenticeship is a multi-year contractual commitment between parties that exchanges labour for training and remuneration, and imposes specific obligations on both parties.
An internship has few contractual commitments, is almost always of a year or less duration (to skirt employment law), and is more often than not has no remuneration beyond expenses incurred - sometimes not even that.
Hardly the same, despite what the fuckwit's encyclopedia says.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
To be fair they're both far from desirable. I'm not necessarily saying internships are a good thing even paid ones.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It can't skirt all employment law by making it less than one (or two years' since last April) duration - for example it can't skirt NMW legislation. Trouble with that, though, is that interns would have to lodge a claim to get a ruling. Hardly any of them do.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't think apprenticeships - proper structured ones that lead to real skills and qualifications - are far from desirable.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what isn't?
Go and do a little something.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not as exploitative as what is replacing them - having to go to college and take out a massive loan to pay for it.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but they are still being exploited.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
You'd hope so. There are a number of so called apprenticeships being advertised for things like customer service. Paying of course, significantly less than minimum wage. A cousin of mine, recently left school, is doing an office based apprenticeship.
Blatent piss taking.
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