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Starry Wisdom
yer man asked if it was a made up term. i pointed out that's not a useful category in language. you seem to want a scrap. someone call you a cunt? thought you'd be used to it by now.
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BigTom
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Nah, nothing to do with straight/gay, as has been said cis is the Latin antonym to trans so cisgender is the opposite to trans gender, eg being born in the right body genderwise.
So there are plenty of cis / lgbt ppl, and trans hetero too.
I like cis as a word, I think there should be a word to go with trans and cis has linguistic roots which make it a good word to use.
revol68
what, fucking what?
it's quite obvious what made up meant in the context, most would understand it as shorthand for "recently" explicitly "invented" rather than having longer more organic basis. Of course that would have denied you the opportunity to be the pedantic twat you seem to revel in.
revol68
what, fucking what?
well from a gender theory perspective I take issue with it as it implies that non trans people don't experience gender as problematic, disjointing and often violent.
the idea of being born in the wrong body is reactionary crap, a slap in the face to feminism that has fought biological essentialism for hundreds of years.
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ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Unlike 'mansplaining' and 'womyn'.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
revol68
what, fucking what?
Pickman you do your pedant thing constantly, it's boring and it has to do with me because it's a open discussion and you offered nothing to it, deciding instead to deliberately misread someone so you can correct them.
That is being a dick.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and you're valiantly defending the discussion with your abusive posts. tbh i get accused of pedantry whether or not i am in fact being pedantic. you jumped in like the lard brained turd you are, filled with self-righteous wrath despite yer man agreeing with me and despite my offering examples of cis and trans. you're not some brave defender of the purity of discussion, you're a shit for brains twat with all the acuity of george osborne on a bad day.
fractionMan
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Someone who like the opposite sex from the sex they identify as. I think.
fractionMan
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Just read a refreshing blog by an american someone who is a bit sick of being asked to "tell her story" at the expense of actually doing something. http://chrisbourg.wordpress.com/201...nking-some-post-libtechgender-panel-thoughts/
(she's gender queer btw)
I got there after reading this, which I thought was pretty good: http://chrisbourg.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/the-neoliberal-library-resistance-is-not-futile/
(she's gender queer btw)
I got there after reading this, which I thought was pretty good: http://chrisbourg.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/the-neoliberal-library-resistance-is-not-futile/
ska invita
back on the other side
I dont agree with your "just fell away" theory. There are always social factors behind such things, and US academia wasnt the only one, but this was a big deal in the States at the time, lots was written about it, and this influenced social policy, leading to things like compulsory disability training awareness lessons being integrated in workplaces by human resource teams. The language became integrated in work/public systems - it became integrated in structures.
heres a wiki history of the term for what its worth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness#History_of_the_term
The US academia era of PC was formulated on campuses in the 80s and broke out into wider debate in the early 90s. That matches my memory of what I read on this in the past.
"black american communities" exist very actively in US academia of course, and I would bet that it came from the afrocentrism that was resurgent in US universities in the 80s
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
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It's something of a catch-all for a range of things basically meaning 'not straight + cis', as far as I understand it.
Fozzie Bear
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer
It's seems amazingly open ended, covering everything from transgendered people right through I guess to people like me who are male but don't see themselves as being particularly macho.
But, I'm not going to describe myself as genderqueer because I don't actually care about this stuff enough and I think it would be a barrier to building relationships with people.
Seems like another one of those opt-in things whichi people use to build up cred in the world of intersectional top trumps. So obv LP is genderqueer http://pennyred.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/loneliness-of-trans-positive.html
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
That is me, seeing as I have short hair, generally wear breeks and work in a massively male-dominated industry. But I'd never use that word about myself, because it's wanky.
Fozzie Bear
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Exactly. And I think in some ways that is good, in that it recognises that there are many many ways in which people can realise/feel/identify that gender is not rigid. But in other ways it is the same old tired "us versus the normals" schtick.
And it means that being a woman with short hair who doesn't wear make up (or a man who puts on eyeliner occasionally) is in the same radical category as transgendered people who have been through turmoil and may face real problems on a daily basis.
fractionMan
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fucking hell.
fractionMan
Custom Title
So if there's cisgender as not-trans what's the opposite of genderqueer?
revol68
what, fucking what?
get's you more oppression points though.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
There's the crux of it. I've got enough real oppression points without having to make up some new ones.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Agree with this, except to say that there are bits of feminism that are very attached to biological essentialism (the crap bits).
Fozzie Bear
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TruXta
tired
Straight? TBH I haven't a clue.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It's been used that way in biology and chemistry (esp. stereochemistry) for donkeys' years - I think it was just ported across.
Fozzie Bear
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It is a reactionary idea, but that is how some people feel and I think supporting them on an individual basis is important (as well as challenging the idea, more generally).
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Yeah I once had a girlfriend who identified herself as a pansexual polyamourist.
Me: 'Wtf's a pansexual?
Her: 'It means I don't recognise gender with regards to people I'm attracted to. So men, women, transgender, post op etc. I've even made out with a midget before'
Me: 'Since when was midget a sexuality?'
Her: 'It's not...I'm just saying'
Me: 'Oh'
As you can tell, her identifying as that and me being a serial monogamist heterosexual bloke meant our relationship was brilliant and worked out really well....
Not even my lecturer from uni, a pretty well respected and well known researcher of the sexuality of disabled people, knew what pansexual meant. I think Fozzie Bear has it right about these terms being more about 'we're so different and radical compared to the normals' than being of any major use.
Me: 'Wtf's a pansexual?
Her: 'It means I don't recognise gender with regards to people I'm attracted to. So men, women, transgender, post op etc. I've even made out with a midget before'
Me: 'Since when was midget a sexuality?'
Her: 'It's not...I'm just saying'
Me: 'Oh'
As you can tell, her identifying as that and me being a serial monogamist heterosexual bloke meant our relationship was brilliant and worked out really well....
Not even my lecturer from uni, a pretty well respected and well known researcher of the sexuality of disabled people, knew what pansexual meant. I think Fozzie Bear has it right about these terms being more about 'we're so different and radical compared to the normals' than being of any major use.
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