Ukraine: Unsubstantiated rumours and speculation

[Yossarian]

Goodbye, Col. Vadim Boyko.

 

[tim]

By ‘talking’ you mean ‘wildly speculating’, yeah?

Most talk on the unsubstantiated rumours thread is wild speculation.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Most talk on the unsubstantiated rumours thread is wild speculation.

Most, not all.

Such as:

In Melitopol, the Russian flag has been removed from the main square. Russian bots claim it's due to routine maintenance of the flag pole, which is nice of them, but rather contradicts the locals who say the soldiers are packing up and fucking off.

 

[Nylock]

Since this is the rumour thread, I heard from a friend who's closely following the war who has told me that the Ukrainian army has crossed the Dnipro at two points (one to the north and the other to the south of the Russian positions) and are actively engaging them. The northern group secured the dam and have crossed at that point. The southern group have established a beach head at the mouth of the river after an amphibious assault. Is there any truth to this?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Now this is bonkers - a 'funny' video of a dude (purportedly a Wagner suit) presenting someone else with the bloodied Nuzhin sledgehammer in a violin case, presumably in some kind of SMERSH/this-is-what-we-do-to-traitors-my-liege kind of message. Absolutely no idea of provenance.



(Sushko warning)

 

[bluescreen]

After the Makei death, does this bizarre scenario seem even slightly more possible?

Kremlin plotting to liquidate Lukashenko, seize control of Belarus army - think tank

Sources within the Russian military leadership say the Kremlin has made a decision on a radical “solution” to the issue of dragging Belarus into Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine. â Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

 

[keybored]

After the Makei death, does this bizarre scenario seem even slightly more possible?

Kremlin plotting to liquidate Lukashenko, seize control of Belarus army - think tank

Sources within the Russian military leadership say the Kremlin has made a decision on a radical “solution” to the issue of dragging Belarus into Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine. â Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

They're going to take over their one and only ally in the region because they've finally realised they can't defeat Ukraine and they don't want to go home empty-handed.

 

[CNT36]

Since this is the rumour thread, I heard from a friend who's closely following the war who has told me that the Ukrainian army has crossed the Dnipro at two points (one to the north and the other to the south of the Russian positions) and are actively engaging them. The northern group secured the dam and have crossed at that point. The southern group have established a beach head at the mouth of the river after an amphibious assault. Is there any truth to this?

Late to the party but the southern group made the Guardian live feed about a week ago though I've heard nohing since. Quick Google showed a few papers mentioning it and also an ISW tweet I can't find so maybe worth checking their reports as I've at most skimmed them the last few weeks.

 

[Dogsauce]

Evidence that China is supporting Russia’s military effort after numerous transport plane flights between the two nations, with the aircraft turning off transponders to try and cover their tracks.

Is China airlifting supplies to Russia? What we know, what we don't

Comments on a Ukrainian video said Russian aircraft carried military equipment and clothing in nine trips to China this week. Newsweek Fact Check investigates.

www.newsweek.com

 

[bluescreen]

There was a story doing the rounds yesterday from a dodgy source that Putin fell downstairs:

Vladimir Putin slipped and fell down several stairs at his official residence.

Claims from a so-called Kremlin insider said that the Russian tyrant - who is said to be suffering from cancer - was helped to a sofa by bodyguards as his personal doctors rushed to assist him.

Putin is also alleged to have soiled himself during the fall.

Rumours have been rife that the Russian leader is seriously ill and leaked documents recently confirmed that he has early-stage Parkinson's disease and pancreatic cancer.

The latest allegation about Putin's health comes from the Russian Telegram channel General SVR which claims to have been given information by a Kremlin insider.

According to the channel, the Russian president was walking downstairs when he "stumbled and fell to his back, after which he fell on his side and slid down a couple of steps".

The fall led to bruising of Putin's coccyx and highlighted problems with the despot's "cancer of the gastrointestinal tract".

The tyrant's stumble caused an "involuntary" reaction and doctors escorted Putin to the bathroom and cleaned him up before examining him.

Meanwhile, Putin appeared to wheeze and gasp through a meeting of grieving mothers whose children have been killed in the Ukraine war and his feet appeared to twitch during talks with Kazakhstan's president Kassym-Jomart Tokayev - a possible indicator of Parkinson's disease.

Vladimir Putin 'falls down stairs and soils himself' after claims he has cancer

Russian Telegram channel named General SVR has regularly claimed that Vladimir Putin is plagued by a number of health conditions, including cancer, despite the Kremlin's insistence that the despot is in good health

www.mirror.co.uk

It doesn't matter whether the story is true. The important thing is that the story, whatever its source, is intended to diminish his stature.
I have no idea who General SVR is, let alone whether they are a Kremlin insider.

 

[Aladdin]

There was a story doing the rounds yesterday from a dodgy source that Putin fell downstairs:

Vladimir Putin 'falls down stairs and soils himself' after claims he has cancer

Russian Telegram channel named General SVR has regularly claimed that Vladimir Putin is plagued by a number of health conditions, including cancer, despite the Kremlin's insistence that the despot is in good health

www.mirror.co.uk

It doesn't matter whether the story is true. The important thing is that the story, whatever its source, is intended to diminish his stature.
I have no idea who General SVR is, let alone whether they are a Kremlin insider.

Its being reported on plenty news channels now.

 

[bluescreen]

Its being reported on plenty news channels now.

That doesn't make it any more credible as they're all using the same source. It just shows that the source's job is being done.
It would be good to see an analysis of the reliability of that source

 

[Raheem]

There was a rumour that the NHS pay dispute was about to be resolved amicably, so naturally he shat himself.

 

[gosub]

Putin says ‘we have not gone mad’ in new threat to West


Hate to say this but find this concerning. Don't get me wrong, would be quite relieved if an illegal holy crusade to liberate washing machines didn't start a nuclear apocalypse, but I think Mr Putin may have given himself a head ache with Yevgeny Prigozhin

 

[two sheds]

Was thinking the other day there must be some feeling of wanting revenge by many Ukrainians when it's all over, but Putin's got there first by the severe ongoing punishment of huge numbers of ordinary Russian people.

 

[teqniq]

Really?

Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says

“The leader’s entourage has not ruled out that he will lose the war, be stripped of power, and have to urgently evacuate somewhere.”

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[DaveCinzano]

Really?

Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says

“The leader’s entourage has not ruled out that he will lose the war, be stripped of power, and have to urgently evacuate somewhere.”

www.thedailybeast.com

He's hidden inside a Brittney Griner cybernetic fleshsuit

 

[Bingoman]

Really?

Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says

“The leader’s entourage has not ruled out that he will lose the war, be stripped of power, and have to urgently evacuate somewhere.”

www.thedailybeast.com

Who would take him

 

[WouldBe]

Who would take him

Ukraine. But he might not be safe.

 

[tim]

Who would take him

The idea of him being offered security and sanctuary somewhere neutral would be a convenient way out of a difficult situation, wouldn't it?;I can't imagine many Western governments opposing the idea.
Napoleon got Elba the first time round and reasonable digs on St Helena the second.

 

[not-bono-ever]

France

 

[tim]

Canvey Island. We could give him a title and a seat in the Lords too. We already have Baron Lebedev of Hampton and Siberia, so why not Viscount Putin of Canvey and Crimea

 

[The39thStep]

Canvey Island. We could give him a title and a seat in the Lords too. We already have Baron Lebedev of Hampton and Siberia, so why not Viscount Putin of Canvey and Crimea

Kent probably would as well

 

[Plumdaff]

I bet St Kilda is delightful this time of year (tbh, I'd love to visit, but not in December).

 

[WouldBe]

I bet St Kilda is delightful this time of year (tbh, I'd love to visit, but not in December).

Lundy island being crapped on by all the puffins with their gay pride beaks.

 

[Ming]

I think the worlds best assassins would be queuing up for the payday of the century.

 

[Raheem]

Could give him Sealand.

 

[Ming]

Could give him Sealand.

And then cut off the supply boat.

 

[Raheem]

And then cut off the supply boat.

Or the concrete supports.

 

[Ming]

Or the concrete supports.

Starvation is worse. Put Hancock on it and see who eats who. And film it for profit (very Tory).

‘I’m a celebrity and one of us is going to die, eat the other one and then also die’.