Ukraine: Unsubstantiated rumours and speculation
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MrCurry
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Putting this in “unsubstantiated“ because it’s a complete guess on my part, but are the “unbelievable“ conversations Ben Wallace has gone to washington for a preparation for what will be done if Putin presses the nuke button?
news.sky.com
Is this a sign the Americans see signs of the Russians moving towards that scenario? Concrete signs I mean, not just the speculation we’ve seen in the media recently.
Ukraine war: Mysterious defence secretary trip to Washington amid fears of Russian escalation
The secretive, last-minute nature of the trip and a comment by a second defence minister, James Heappey - who said the conversations Mr Wallace would be having on Tuesday were "beyond belief" - suggested particularly sensitive and serious issues would be discussed.
news.sky.com
Is this a sign the Americans see signs of the Russians moving towards that scenario? Concrete signs I mean, not just the speculation we’ve seen in the media recently.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Well the Americans are always keen to clobber Iran, but I can’t believe Biden would contemplate opening up a new front when the troubles Ukraine is causing are already so dire. Far more likely they are preparing their response for if the Russian retreat from Kherson turns into Russians dropping a battlefield nuke on the assembled UKR forces as and when they push into that same area.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Especially as things in Iran are going south for the Theocrats without overt* Western aid or support just now. An clare and present external threat would be top of Raisi's birthday present list just now.
* I imagine, with no evidence whatsoever, that the CIA, Mossad and our chaps**etc are in their somewhere - at least I'd like a refund on my VAT if they aren't...
** In these current times our chaps can of course be called Chloe as well as Sebastian...
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What's going here? Two cables cut to Shetland Islands over last few days.
Probably just an accident but there was a lot of talk about Russia cutting deep sea cable to disrupt communications between Europe & US earlier in the year when they were loitering off the Irish coast. Trial run or a warning shot?
"We expect it will be fishing vessels that damaged the cable but it is very rare that we have two problems at the same time."
Probably just an accident but there was a lot of talk about Russia cutting deep sea cable to disrupt communications between Europe & US earlier in the year when they were loitering off the Irish coast. Trial run or a warning shot?
Damaged cable leaves Shetland cut off from mainland
Police have declared a major incident with phone lines and internet down on the islands.
www.bbc.co.uk
"We expect it will be fishing vessels that damaged the cable but it is very rare that we have two problems at the same time."
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keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
There are on average over 100 incidents a year involving damage to or failure of subsea fibres. Two going down serving one area is certainly unlucky, but not really suspicious.What's going here? Two cables cut to Shetland Islands over last few days.
Probably just a accident but there was a lot of talk about Russia cutting deep sea cable to disrupt communications between Europe & US earlier in the year when they were loitering off the Irish coast. Trial run or a warning shot?
Damaged cable leaves Shetland cut off from mainland
Police have declared a major incident with phone lines and internet down on the islands.www.bbc.co.uk
"We expect it will be fishing vessels that damaged the cable but it is very rare that we have two problems at the same time."
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
It's on top of incidents like this that increases people's suspicion
Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage Mirrors Svalbard Cable Incident
The sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea earlier this week may shed new light on two recent incidents in the Norwegian Arctic involving the cutting of communication cables.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
"A growing number of retired United States Generals are encouraging both the White House and Pentagon to commit US contractors on the ground in Ukraine to man and operate short, medium and long range defensive systems to counter Russian missile, rocket and drone attacks. The list includes Generals Steven Anderson, David Petraeus, Wesley Clark, Tommy Franks and others.
The suggestion is being made as a way to shorten, if not entirely eliminate, the time needed to train members of the Ukrainian military to operate said defensive systems.
When asked during a CNN interview if Putin would view American contractors operating such systems in Ukraine as an escalation, retired Brigadier General Steven Anderson replied, “If we really want to help the Ukrainians push the Russians all the way out of Ukraine sovereign territory to include Crimea, we're going to have to surge the logistic capabilities and get US battlefield contractors on the ground. Not only providing air defense expertise and operations but also vital logistics support.”
Asked if he thought the placement of such personnel on the ground would be worth the risk General Anderson responded, “Oh, absolutely. Putin probably will perceive it as some sort of an escalation but it's a bridge we need to go across right now. We need these systems in place, we need to show our support for Ukraine, and we need to show the Russians we're behind the Ukrainians all the way and that includes putting American contractors on the ground. We send a message to the Ukrainians, our allies, the world, and the Russians that we're serious about making sure the Ukrainians win this. This is an extensional threat to us all and we must do everything possible to include putting US contractors on the ground in Ukraine now.”
The suggestion is being made as a way to shorten, if not entirely eliminate, the time needed to train members of the Ukrainian military to operate said defensive systems.
When asked during a CNN interview if Putin would view American contractors operating such systems in Ukraine as an escalation, retired Brigadier General Steven Anderson replied, “If we really want to help the Ukrainians push the Russians all the way out of Ukraine sovereign territory to include Crimea, we're going to have to surge the logistic capabilities and get US battlefield contractors on the ground. Not only providing air defense expertise and operations but also vital logistics support.”
Asked if he thought the placement of such personnel on the ground would be worth the risk General Anderson responded, “Oh, absolutely. Putin probably will perceive it as some sort of an escalation but it's a bridge we need to go across right now. We need these systems in place, we need to show our support for Ukraine, and we need to show the Russians we're behind the Ukrainians all the way and that includes putting American contractors on the ground. We send a message to the Ukrainians, our allies, the world, and the Russians that we're serious about making sure the Ukrainians win this. This is an extensional threat to us all and we must do everything possible to include putting US contractors on the ground in Ukraine now.”
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
I don't believe >100 major subsea gas pipelines explode every year though. Yet.It's on top of incidents like this that increases people's suspicion
Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage Mirrors Svalbard Cable Incident
The sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea earlier this week may shed new light on two recent incidents in the Norwegian Arctic involving the cutting of communication cables.www.highnorthnews.com
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
an extensional threat eh
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More suspicious fibre optic cable cutting, in France last week
French police probe multiple cuts of major internet cables
French police probe multiple cuts of major internet cables
gosub
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New Russian Troops Drafted to Fight Ukraine Get As Little As 10 Days of Training
Russian President Putin is desperate to do all he can to eke out some sham victory in Ukraine. Some new soldiers barely get training.
www.19fortyfive.com
gosub
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3 Weapons Joe Biden Won't Give Ukraine to Fight Russia
The United States has sent approximately $19 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since 2014. Kyiv would love even more.
www.19fortyfive.com
gosub
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Here's Why CIA Director Made A Secret Visit To Ukraine And What He Told President Volodymyr Zelenskyy
With Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announcing several new measures to assist Ukraine, the U.S. has also extended further support to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
www.benzinga.com
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
New Russian Troops Drafted to Fight Ukraine Get As Little As 10 Days of Training
Russian President Putin is desperate to do all he can to eke out some sham victory in Ukraine. Some new soldiers barely get training.
3 Weapons Joe Biden Won't Give Ukraine to Fight Russia
The United States has sent approximately $19 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since 2014. Kyiv would love even more.
Maybe one day you'll grow up and learn to offer an opinion on the links you post - at the moment you look like a babbling fool, other people's words spewing like vomit from your uncomprehending mouthHere's Why CIA Director Made A Secret Visit To Ukraine And What He Told President Volodymyr Zelenskyy
With Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announcing several new measures to assist Ukraine, the U.S. has also extended further support to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
gosub
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Russia accuses UK of attacking Nord Stream gas pipelines
If I were Norway, I would be concerned by this. Perhaps, as a NATO member its government has a better understanding of what went down. WIth pipelines to both Poland and UK, certainly don't think HMS Somerset and a MRA1 is enough to cover the entire threat.
Cosmically speaking, A very rare Beaver Blood Moon coming up! However never been that big on astrology, more likely to check the weather forecasts.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Heard rumours that Russia is beginning to abandon Kherson
Raheem
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gosub
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I really can't see the Russians budging on Rostov
US now talking about Abrams. Suggest that would depend on the midterms and I really can't see that happening either
strung out
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What about Rostov? Not mentioned at all in the article you link, and not sure what relevance it has to anything.
gosub
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Whether it's in Russia. Not sure FC&DO would have had a chance to talk to cartographers. Looks like it's been all go in the UK whilst I've been on holiday...I say holiday feels more like 1001 arguments you can have with solictors
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Rostov-on-Don? Hasn't this always been Russian? Maybe the Ottomans had it for a bit, but it might be pushing the envelope a bit to claim it ain't Russian
gosub
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Maybe a clear through of the old PMs notions could be useful
It's not like she had any oven ready ideas that lasted long in the white heat of the kitchen.
strung out
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Who's saying Rostov isn't in Russia?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Thanks for the clue
Truss error is proof West doesn't understand Ukraine conflict: Kremlin
The Kremlin on Friday cited a geographical gaffe by British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss as an example of how poorly informed Western leaders were about the subject matter in the East-West standoff over Ukraine.
How we made it through that month as a country without blowing ourselves up is amazing
gosub
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Not had a mortgage bill recently then.Thanks for the clue
Truss error is proof West doesn't understand Ukraine conflict: Kremlin
The Kremlin on Friday cited a geographical gaffe by British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss as an example of how poorly informed Western leaders were about the subject matter in the East-West standoff over Ukraine.www.reuters.com
How we made it through that month as a country without blowing ourselves up is amazing
gosub
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Me neither, being honest. Read a stat 1 in 7 25-35 is going to be hit with negative eqatity. Sucks to be them.
But that Rostov incident...Rostov would have been in the brief cos that where Russians came from, and Lavrov knew what Truss thought she was saying.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
All she knew was that it probably wasn't her constituency, maybe it was one of those red wall places?
gosub
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I've Too much other stuff going onto speculate now on what goes on in the mind of Lis Truss...is there any point anyway
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