Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

[editor]

you believe only thirty one thousand ukrainian soldiers have been killed?

I'm asking you to provide sources that back up your claim. You claimed that "zelensky meant that thirty thousand ukrainian soldiers had died this month. which would be nearer the truth.." So what are you basing that on?

Or, you could just admit that you're just making up numbers because you want to sound big and clever.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm asking you to provide sources that back up your claim. You claimed that "zelensky meant that thirty thousand ukrainian soldiers had died this month. which would be nearer the truth.." So what are you basing that on?

Or, you could just admit that you're just making up numbers because you want to sound big and clever.

if you read discokermit's post you'll see he prefaced the phrase you quote with 'maybe'. maybe you're making things up to sound big and clever.

 

[ska invita]

I think official death counts can seem very low
Iraq War figures vary but this wiki page has:

Iraqi combatant dead (invasion period): 7,600–45,000[29][30]

Iraqi security forces (post-Saddam)
Killed:17,690[10]
Wounded: 40,000+[11]

Coalition forces
Killed: 4,825 (4,507 US,[12] 179 UK,[13] 139 other)[14]

---yet its widely accepted (Lancet) total excess deaths across the population hit over a million dead

 

[ska invita]

Scarily I expect there'll be a lot of people cheering on this news

"Several Nato and EU members considering sending soldiers to Ukraine, Slovak PM says"​

 

[Chz]

Much as I encourage supply support for Ukraine, that's fucking terrifying if it's true.

 

[discokermit]

Much as I encourage supply support for Ukraine, that's fucking terrifying if it's true.

wait til you get conscripted.

 

[Chz]

wait til you get conscripted.

Can't be! Always said that getting a British passport conferred no benefits upon me, only downsides.

 

[Raheem]

Surely, being the scenes, all NATO countries are continually considering whether and in what circumstances they would be willing to commit troops. It doesn't mean they will. The only news is that someone said it out loud, IMO.

 

[ska invita]

Scarily I expect there'll be a lot of people cheering on this news

"Several Nato and EU members considering sending soldiers to Ukraine, Slovak PM says"​

Heres the context for the deadline

Reuters reports that several Nato and European Union members are considering sending soldiers to Ukraine on a bilateral basis, Slovak prime minister Robert Fico said on Monday.

Fico, who has long opposed military supplies to Ukraine and has taken a position seen by some critics as pro-Russian, offered no details and other European leaders did not immediately comment on his remarks.

He was speaking ahead of a meeting of European leaders in Paris that he is due to attend later on Monday.

“I will limit myself to say that these theses (in preparation for the Paris meeting) imply a number of Nato and EU member states are considering that they will send their troops to Ukraine on a bilateral basis,” Fico told a televised briefing after a meeting of Slovakia’s security council.

“I cannot say for what purpose and what they should be doing there,” he said, adding that Slovakia, a member of the EU and the Nato military alliance, would not be sending soldiers to Ukraine.

Fico said he saw a risk of a large escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, and that more information could not be revealed to the public.

About 20 European leaders, including Fico, will gather in Paris on Monday to send Russian president Vladimir Putin a message of European resolve on Ukraine and counter the Kremlin’s narrative that Russia is bound to win a war now entering its third year, France said.

French president Emmanuel Macron has invited European leaders to the Élysée Palace for a working meeting announced at short notice because of what his advisers say is an escalation in Russian aggression over the past few weeks.

Fico said calling the meeting showed the West’s strategy on Ukraine had failed. He said he was going to take part in a constructive spirit although the material for discussions sent “shivers down his spine”.

 

[discokermit]

what happens when russia batters them as well?

 

[Pickman's model]

Heres the context for the deadline

what deadline?

 

[Silas Loom]

what happens when russia batters them as well?

If things escalate enough, perhaps you can be interned on the Isle of Wight.

 

[Pickman's model]

what happens when russia batters them as well?

i have some doubts about whether they'd be battered by the russians, but i am confident that there's no swifter way to diminish support for ukraine than by sending western european troops to try to extricate kyiv from its current imbroglio

 

[andysays]

Heres the context for the deadline

Reuters reports that several Nato and European Union members are considering sending soldiers to Ukraine on a bilateral basis, Slovak prime minister Robert Fico said on Monday.

Fico, who has long opposed military supplies to Ukraine and has taken a position seen by some critics as pro-Russian, offered no details and other European leaders did not immediately comment on his remarks.

He was speaking ahead of a meeting of European leaders in Paris that he is due to attend later on Monday.

“I will limit myself to say that these theses (in preparation for the Paris meeting) imply a number of Nato and EU member states are considering that they will send their troops to Ukraine on a bilateral basis,” Fico told a televised briefing after a meeting of Slovakia’s security council.

“I cannot say for what purpose and what they should be doing there,” he said, adding that Slovakia, a member of the EU and the Nato military alliance, would not be sending soldiers to Ukraine.

Fico said he saw a risk of a large escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, and that more information could not be revealed to the public.

About 20 European leaders, including Fico, will gather in Paris on Monday to send Russian president Vladimir Putin a message of European resolve on Ukraine and counter the Kremlin’s narrative that Russia is bound to win a war now entering its third year, France said.

French president Emmanuel Macron has invited European leaders to the Élysée Palace for a working meeting announced at short notice because of what his advisers say is an escalation in Russian aggression over the past few weeks.

Fico said calling the meeting showed the West’s strategy on Ukraine had failed. He said he was going to take part in a constructive spirit although the material for discussions sent “shivers down his spine”.

If one or more European leaders had said they themselves were considering it, I might be inclined to take it seriously, but for Fico with his previous and current position to say this meeting implies this sort of escalation is entirely unconvincing.

 

[ska invita]

If one or more European leaders had said they themselves were considering it, I might be inclined to take it seriously, but for Fico with his previous and current position to say this meeting implies this sort of escalation is entirely unconvincing.

I understand your scepticism but I can well imagine it at least being considered now that the USA has effectively moved on

 

[UnderOpenSky]

wait til you get conscripted.

Things really are fucked if the average urbanite is getting conscripted, given the demographic. I'd imagine everything will be glowing long before then.

 

[Raheem]

Things really are fucked if the average urbanite is getting conscripted

Every urbanite is an outlier.

 

[SpookyFrank]

ursula von der leyen said ukraine had lost 100,000 back in november 2022, which matched the estimates of the russians. russians now estimate ukrainian losses at 436,000.
the idea they have only lost 31,000 is nonsense.

I can think of no reason why the Russians shouldn't be considered a reliable an unbiased source of information.

 

[editor]

Surely, being the scenes, all NATO countries are continually considering whether and in what circumstances they would be willing to commit troops. It doesn't mean they will. The only news is that someone said it out loud, IMO.

Yeah, it's a meaningless headline.

 

[editor]

what happens when russia batters them as well?

Wow. You're quite the Russia fanboy.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Wow. You're quite the Russia fanboy.

That one loves to side with bullies and thugs, so it's hardly a surprise.

 

[andysays]

I understand your scepticism but I can well imagine it at least being considered now that the USA has effectively moved on

Yeah, to be clear, I'm not saying it definitely isn't being considered, just that Fico making the claim isn't an indication of anything.

 

[discokermit]

Wow. You're quite the Russia fanboy.

twat

 

[discokermit]

i have some doubts about whether they'd be battered by the russians, but i am confident that there's no swifter way to diminish support for ukraine than by sending western european troops to try to extricate kyiv from its current imbroglio

oh they would. i think one thing we are learning from this debacle is that military keynesianism beats neoliberalism when it comes to large scale military conflict.

 

[Raheem]

oh they would. i think one thing we are learning from this debacle is that military keynesianism beats neoliberalism when it comes to large scale military conflict.

If military Keynesianism was decisive, that would give victory to the US, really.

 

[discokermit]

If military Keynesianism was decisive, that would give victory to the US, really.

i dont agree but im not gonna go into the ins and outs of economies because i dont know.
there will be much to discuss as they drag us off for basic training.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The US sees spending $1bn on an aircraft as an acceptable price, that doesn’t fit in with Keynesian economics, but being by miles the hardest cunts around does, somehow it is worth it for them.

For the detractors of the U.K., we ain’t sucking up to the hard kid, we are part of their hardness, on our own we are what we are, the US needs allies and having ‘fucking nails U.K.’ as the #1 ally is mutually beneficial.

 

[TopCat]

Wow. You're quite the Russia fanboy.

Really?

 

[TopCat]

Macron refuses to rule out putting troops on ground in Ukraine​

France’s President, Emmanuel Macron, said on Monday he refused to rule out sending ground troops to Ukraine, but said no consensus existed on the step, at a meeting of 20 mainly European leaders in Paris.

Protecting France’s strategic ambiguity he said “there is no consensus to officially back any ground troops. That said, nothing should be excluded. We will do everything that we can to make sure that Russia does not prevail.”

It is the first time there has been such open discussion of nation states collectively looking at providing troops to support the depleted Ukrainian military manpower.

 

[TopCat]

Things really are fucked if the average urbanite is getting conscripted, given the demographic. I'd imagine everything will be glowing long before then.

Enough older people with missing limbs currently at the front.