Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25
- Thread starter kebabking
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I think not invading Iraq might have gone some way to avoiding this. Also, not having idiotic economic advisers recommending shock therapy to Russia's economy might have helped. And perhaps allowing Russia to join NATO and some sort of EU membership roadmap might have helped.
It also looks like Turkey has genuinely closed the straits to Russia. The FT reports that a guided missile frigate was turned back yesterday.
That feels like a big development. What are the chances that Turkey sees this now as a rather convenient little arrangement? They have a war quite close to home that they can profitably sell tech into and use as a testing ground for their drones. And, conveniently, it involves rival interests, arguably, on both sides, who they can play off against each other.
Erdogan suddenly has an awful lot of cards to play.
That feels like a big development. What are the chances that Turkey sees this now as a rather convenient little arrangement? They have a war quite close to home that they can profitably sell tech into and use as a testing ground for their drones. And, conveniently, it involves rival interests, arguably, on both sides, who they can play off against each other.
Erdogan suddenly has an awful lot of cards to play.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're again behind the times Turkey closes the Dardanelles and Bosphorus to warships - Naval News. the straits have closed to all warships so in a way that's a nice result for russia: no nato ships entering the black sea. indeed, the only warships that can enter (bar other ships returning to base) are russian or turkish.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
stfu about things of which you know nothing. there was no doubt, the mc is quite clear.
How Turkey Blocking Russia From The Black Sea Harms Neutral States
Turkey has implemented an international law to block Russian warships from entering the Black Sea. But it's blocking neutral warships too—and its actions could ignite tensions in the region.
www.forbes.com
Many of the sanctions cut in after 30 days to give the opportunity for sanctioned businesses to wind down (sell assets and move funds abroad).
Russian bank customers have 30 days to wind down assets under 'absurd' UK sanctions loophole
Russia's second largest bank, VTB, has been granted a 30-day exemption for clients to close transactions and move assets
inews.co.uk
The loophole applies to many sanctioned businesses, but that particular article is mostly about VTB bank, which coincidentally is a Tory party donor.
Revealed: Tories given £44,000 by top official at sanctioned Russian bank
Treasury gave a controversial 30-day grace period to Kremlin-linked VTB Bank – where a senior banker has handed the Tories £44,000 since 2018
www.opendemocracy.net
stfu about things of which you know nothing. there was no doubt, the mc is quite clear.
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How Turkey Blocking Russia From The Black Sea Harms Neutral States
Turkey has implemented an international law to block Russian warships from entering the Black Sea. But it's blocking neutral warships too—and its actions could ignite tensions in the region.
Yes, but what is a war and who determines it?
You lack the subtlety for this kind of reasoning, it seems.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there is no need for reasoning here. this isn't some abstruse legal problem, the wartime clauses have been invoked (whatever you think of them, whatever your view of what constitutes a war, and no matter who you think should have invoked them) and hence the only warships that can enter the black sea are those returning to their home ports and of course turkish ships. no rn, no usn, no french navy etc etc. so russian ships based in the black sea can go back to the crimea.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the turks are not and never have been a war
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
It's nobody's business but the Turks.
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
Didn't Private Eye do an investigation, and handy interactive map, of British property owned by shady shell companies and the like. That might be a good place to start (although you might well have to do a lot of trawling through company house's website, and cross-referencing to find out who actually owns it)It needs a list of addresses circulated, followed by a general "squat the lot" announcement. So, if anyone has access to land registry info and can cross-reference it with the names of Russian oligarchs, we're on
Ahh yes. Private Eye Magazine | Official Site - the UK's number one best-selling news and current affairs magazine, edited by Ian Hislop it's only from 2004 to 2014, so it's out of date, sadly.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
There’s no business like drone business
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Well, there won't be much urgency to melt him down, given that a statue of the diminutive Vova isn't going to yield that much wax, and won't take all that much space up anyway.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Hopefully a few of this lot are already under the rubble.
www.theguardian.com
Ultranationalism in Ukraine – a photo essay
The growing presence of far-right groups in Ukraine leaves the west in a quandary. The ultranationalists have played a key role in fighting Russia-backed separatist rebels and are now challenging government corruption. But they are pushing for changes that go against democratic...
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You are doing fine ska. The jingoism both here on urban and certainly in the uk press rather reminds me of the Falklands War.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Ah yes, that's the thing about rubble, it's perfectly focused and just hits the baddies. Whoosh, a block of flats, just wipes out the fash!Hopefully a few of this lot are already under the rubble.
Ultranationalism in Ukraine – a photo essay
The growing presence of far-right groups in Ukraine leaves the west in a quandary. The ultranationalists have played a key role in fighting Russia-backed separatist rebels and are now challenging government corruption. But they are pushing for changes that go against democratic...
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Well seeing as it's happening anyway, might as well hope.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but not just any block of flats, the trick is to make sure there are fash inside. of course you can do it more simply by just knocking down all the blocks. but that's cheating.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
That's just so wide of the mark. History is history - we know the history - but this is what it is, a decision by Putin to attack the people of Ukraine. I stand with those people and I stand with the poor sods putin has sent in to bolster his regime. I don't want the Russians killed, I'd rather they got mired down with their supply problems and fucked off home. Don't think that's going to happen, they are going to carry on and end up getting a protracted and bloody victory. Fuck Nato, fuck putin, but this is about the Ukranian people getting shelled and forced to flee from their homes and country.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
the war also has similarities with is Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Iraqs army at the time was - reportedly - the third/fourth biggest in the world. but it was mostly ill equipped, poor trained conscripts who were close to useless once the US and Co piled in. The promised "mother of all battles" was turned into a turkey shoot . Saddam clearly thought it would be a fati-compli and the amercans would not dare to tackle him - but Saddam's Iraq was turend into a pariah state and sanctioned to fuck - then finally disposed of in 2003.
Here again it looks like the capabilities of the Russian military has been overestimated and Putin had not expected such a fierce reaction from the rest of the world. Once the war is over his regime will be a pariah state - like saddam's Iraq or north korea - only one still with a powerful military and defiantly with a fuck ton of WMDs- all under the control of a saddam style brutal megalomaniac. Regime change in russia is going to be number 1 priority for US and European foreign policy - and possibly china (and anyone else who doesn't want a real life bond villain running around with the capacity to end life on earth).
Anyway - sleep well ....
Here again it looks like the capabilities of the Russian military has been overestimated and Putin had not expected such a fierce reaction from the rest of the world. Once the war is over his regime will be a pariah state - like saddam's Iraq or north korea - only one still with a powerful military and defiantly with a fuck ton of WMDs- all under the control of a saddam style brutal megalomaniac. Regime change in russia is going to be number 1 priority for US and European foreign policy - and possibly china (and anyone else who doesn't want a real life bond villain running around with the capacity to end life on earth).
Anyway - sleep well ....
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
"Our finely targeted strikes killed only nationalists, people who tolerated the presence of nationalists in their country, and people who might have become nationalists if they had survived to adulthood."
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
have you ever noticed how well mannered bond villains are, and how generous with their time to explain just how the elaborate way they're going to kill 007 works?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
extra dry
Happy to be here
All that cash wasted on arms, just hold them up for a week or two, in wintery Ukrain, then they go home. Unlike some other countries.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
You can’t silence us Russia’s president will lose, too, when the nation’s free press is gone — Meduza
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