Ukip - why are they gaining support?
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butchersapron
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UKIP do want to pull out from the ECHR - but this was under the Human Rights Act which isn't directly the ECHR and so it's quite simple for them to say there's no reason why the payout would not happen if they had their way. It's an entirely ineffective attack. When are you going to come out and declare yourself a UKIP supporter btw?
I think I gave perfectly sound reasoning. They oppose the ECHR. Do you deny this?
Of course not, but what does that have to do with the police losing the evidence? Nothing.
I think you've completely misread.
The police lost the evidence. The case cannot proceed, but because of the ECHR the alleged victim was able to get compensation.
The police lost the evidence. The case cannot proceed, but because of the ECHR the alleged victim was able to get compensation.
Not sure what to assume tbh -- I'm unclear what the papers's getting at from AW's post.
OK, I got the lost evidence bit, but what was the paper's take on the whole matter?
What does it matter? The whole point is the this is the sort of thing the ECHR can do for people. I don't imaging this is a common thing, but in this circumstance the alleged victim, denied her day in court, received something that, had we not been part of the ECHR, she would not have otherwise received. Ukip wants us out of that.
Yes, and you're trying to use this to slam UKIP. £7500 seems pretty poor compensation for your rapist going free, and losing such poor compensation seems to me a pretty poor excuse to slam UKIP. And I wonder if others are reacting to claims such as yours by actually looking at UKIP to check them and end up liking what they see.
butchersapron
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The papers just reported the facts. They weren't opinion pieces.
I don't have a problem with this. These are sorts of consequences people need to be aware of when they support policies that lead to denying people their rights. If that's seen as ganing up on poor old ukip, i don't give a shit. This is an entirely fair criticism, if you don't like it that's entirely fine. I don't agree.
I made no comment on the amount of compensation since it's a separate issue, but yes I would agree that's a fair criticism. it's still £7500 more than Ukip policy making would allow. It is also not paid out because she is a victim of rape. I used the word allegedly precisely because we don't know whether or not she has been raped and because of the police mishandling the evidence we will never know. That is why she is getting compensation and so on that basis it is entirely reaonable to question the amount, but that is a separate issue.
I made no comment on the amount of compensation since it's a separate issue, but yes I would agree that's a fair criticism. it's still £7500 more than Ukip policy making would allow. It is also not paid out because she is a victim of rape. I used the word allegedly precisely because we don't know whether or not she has been raped and because of the police mishandling the evidence we will never know. That is why she is getting compensation and so on that basis it is entirely reaonable to question the amount, but that is a separate issue.
OK, points taken. I should remember that not all local papers are as bad as the one we have round here.
And I have no problem at all with ECHR either ...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
First off, UKIP are not going to form any govt ever - they can't and will not ever be in a situation to repal the human rights act of 1998. Secondly, this case has very little to do with the ECHR as it's based on british parliamentary law - withdrawing from the ECHR would not nessaccrily mean that in this case - or similar - that the victims would automatically not receive compensation as there is no reason why the same rights would not be incorporated into british law - in fact, they already are, that's how she got the compensation.
I made no comment on the quality of the paper.
I know, but I was thinking along other lines at first.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Has anyone asked Nigel Farage who he thinks should replace Brucie in presenting strictly?
Can I read 300 words on that please?
Also, is there a link to him holding a pint?
What are Nigels tips for how many horses will die in The Grand National?
We have the technology now to just have his every utterance beamed live to us via Reuters or AP.
But it's not happening is it? Because the media is a leftie conspiracy, just seeking to smear Amazing Nigel and The New Politics
Can I read 300 words on that please?
Also, is there a link to him holding a pint?
What are Nigels tips for how many horses will die in The Grand National?
We have the technology now to just have his every utterance beamed live to us via Reuters or AP.
But it's not happening is it? Because the media is a leftie conspiracy, just seeking to smear Amazing Nigel and The New Politics
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nope, because of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Act '95, which has very little to do with the ECHR at all, given that it pre-dates the UK's enactment into law of the ECHR (with a few exceptions).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not "compensation for her rapist going free" in any shape or form. That's "spin". It's compensation for failure of duty of care.
Just thought I'd make that clear.
I hope there are lots of photos of the event, though I suspect there won't be, can't have his carefully manufactured 'man of the people' image dented.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Grim result for Arsenal today, but the only analysis on the BBC is from commentators, former players and fans.
Not a word from Amazing Nigel Farage about what he thinks. It's another Communist blackout.
Not a word from Amazing Nigel Farage about what he thinks. It's another Communist blackout.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't. Twat.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Unsurprising, in that constituency, given that the chain of local papers for that part of Kent is owned by a rampantly anti-immigrant tool who's spewed out a steady diet of lies for the last 20+ yearsd, and that the constituency has a history of electing (parliamentary) hard-right Tory MPs.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
and even then the poll shows tories on a 3 point lead
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
ably assisted by the mainstream press. The hoax is so shallow it's breathtaking.
Welsh lad
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With the exception of the Mirror, Guardian and Independent.
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