redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Here's hoping the LDs don't manage to make double figures.New TNS-BMRN Euro elections poll:
Ukip - why are they gaining support?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Great weekend polling for UKIP - highest ever in the Independent with 20%. Up thee and four in Observer and Mirror on 18% and 20%.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
did you catch Farange on HIGNFY last night? Laughed off/joined in the mockery in a self deprecatin way.
Hislop got his digs in. I've seen people take a worse beasting on that prog.
Hislop got his digs in. I've seen people take a worse beasting on that prog.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I can't see two rather pompous private schoolboys and oxbridge media luvvies failing to land a blow on him would do him much harm with the part of the electorate he's appealing to.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Presumably he knows it all too well otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to go on there.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he didn't get that hard of a time either.
the butt of a few jokes but not a focused cunting off.
the butt of a few jokes but not a focused cunting off.
He's a tart, always up for the bbc, probably claims it on his eu expenses.
What are UKIP benefiting from in current polling -- all-round 'None of the above'-ism generally I suppose. If they're in any way profiting from the Maria Miller story just now, that's pretty ironic given how their MEPs have their snouts really deep in the Brussels trough themselves.
butchersapron
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As has been exposed for over a decade now without effecting them.
I know, but its mad all the same that it has no effect.
Tbh - and at risk of sounding like a snob - the kind of people who think that Farage 'understands people like me' and most British laws are made in Brussels probably aren't going to take much notice.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
As far as I can tell, UKIP's main appeal to our local elderly is the promise to reintroduce smoking in pubs.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Farage has consistently returned even lower ratings than Clegg when polls ask about him as national leadership material - apart from this single comres poll (which still finds 2/3 of those polled do not look on him at all favourably). And he polls worse then his party - if your scenario were accurate we would expect the opposite.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
hardly. what has he led? an expenses fuelled drinking club?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
And if they get a couple of extra MEPs they'll be ideally placed to deliever on that promise.
Either that or they'll just cozy up to a few more of Europe's racist fringe parties and mouth off about women, gays, immigrants, gay immigrants and other simillarly vital issues.
UKIP from being a non-entity to a significant player. And he has charisma.
"he has spiwit!"
"yes he did sir."
"yes he did sir."
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I wonder how the tories are going to deal with Farage? Smeer campaign? Try to steal their clothes (Back) whilst reminding everyone that UKIP want win?
The poisiton of the right wing media is intersting as well - the tory papers seem to be trying to use UKIP to force the tories rightwards on immigration and europe - but by bigging up UKIP they are helping labour. Are they going to turn on Farage come spring 2015?
The poisiton of the right wing media is intersting as well - the tory papers seem to be trying to use UKIP to force the tories rightwards on immigration and europe - but by bigging up UKIP they are helping labour. Are they going to turn on Farage come spring 2015?
I think it will depend upon how well UKIP do in the Euro elections and the response of the Tories. If UKIP do extremely well at the expense of the Tories, then Cameron might be forced out, and then it's anyone's guess. If they merely do well, then it will be a case of 'Rally round so as to not let Labour win and jeopardise the recovery.'
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where do you come up with your utter misreadings of basic politics from? Cameron is not going to be forced out no matter how well UKIP do or how badly the tories do. They didn't become the most electorally successful party in history by making such basic mistakes when in power.
Tbf they made some pretty basic mistakes in power under Major's leadership. Put up or shut up, and all that. But you're right IMO: they're not going to go unseating Cameron now. Even some of the backbench malcontents are falling into line, partly because they've too much to lose and nothing to gain from a bout of bloodletting before next year.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Smears would be easiest, but also have the most chance of blowing up in the Tories' faces.
35 years ago, that's pretty much the pattern the media followed with regard to the NF and the Tories, and then in '83 Thatcher pretty much stole the NF's clothes policy-wise.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
How unusual of the guardian to do an article on UKIP.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What are your criticisms of the piece?
Also, how unusual for you moan about media covering UKIP.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Just saw that it's Goodwin. I'll make an exception for that.
Eta: It honestly didn't tell me anything I didn't know though. I'd be surprised if you or many here are different.
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