Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[frogwoman]

How many MP's are members of parties who have 'sent them back' this parliament btq - and how many last parliament? Give me the exact number please. How many of them took part in and normalised racist behaviours and discourses? And how many parties of these will be urging people to vote for as they are legit parties against illegitimate parties this coming may? Vote for the powerful racists not the weak racists.

Yep

 

[teqniq]

Bee
‏@doobwhatsit
Dear @Nigel_Farage , is this what you mean by #ostentatiousbreastfeeding? If so I will avoid it at all costs!

 

[Betsy]

 

[andysays]

The top picture is vaguely amusing, but the second bit just makes Private Eye look like sneery wankers.

 

[butchersapron]

Accurate then.

 

[laptop]

Why 1957?

January 1

• The Saarland joins West Germany.
• An Irish Republican Army attack on the Brookeborough police barracks leads to the deaths of Seán South and Fergal O'Hanlon.

...

• August 28 – United States Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC) sets the record for the longest filibuster with his 24-hour, 18-minute speech railing against a civil rights bill.

 

[butchersapron]

...and the last living private eye subscriber was born and enrolled at eton.

 

[belboid]

Why 1957?

January 1

• The Saarland joins West Germany.
• An Irish Republican Army attack on the Brookeborough police barracks leads to the deaths of Seán South and Fergal O'Hanlon.

...

• August 28 – United States Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC) sets the record for the longest filibuster with his 24-hour, 18-minute speech railing against a civil rights bill.

end of petrol rationing in the UK, they'd like that. But, then again, A report by the Medical Research Council reveals that there is evidence to support a link between tobacco smoking and lung cancer.[17] - they wouldnt like that

Andy Capp first appeared in the Mirror, too

 

[youngian]

When Hislop took the reigns at Private Eye Peter Cook advised him if ever felt his job was futile he should take at a look at the biting satire of the Weimar Republic which stopped Hitler in his tracks.

 

[gosub]

That the Berlin cabaret scene were among the first rounded up for the concentration camps was not coincidental

 

[redsquirrel]

The top picture is vaguely amusing, but the second bit just makes Private Eye look like sneery wankers.

Well it's an excellent illustration of their, and others like taffbhoy's, opinions.

 

[butchersapron]

UKIP: A flash-in-the-pan or a long-term insurgent?

Where are the defectors – the other 50% – going? In the latest wave of the BES 24% of Ukip’s voters in 2014 are planning to switch to the Conservatives in 2015, 11% are planning to vote for Labour, 1% Liberal Democrat and 11% are still undecided. This suggests that Ukip could retain more than half of its voters from the European Parliament elections and is not following the same pattern of rapid decline that we saw ahead of general elections in 2005 and 2010.

Ukip’s greater ‘staying power’ is underlined by the social profile of its base of supporters. In Revolt on the Right, Robert Ford and Matthew Goodwin showed how between 2004 and 2013 Ukip established a base of financially struggling, ‘left behind’ voters who tend to be older, white, male, poorly-educated, working-class and who in earlier years might have voted Labour.

More recent analysis of the backgrounds of Ukip supporters corroborates this argument, showing how Ukip is winning over disaffected Labour voters who gave up on Labour in the early 2000s, perhaps ‘stopped off’ with the Conservative Party in 2010 and then defected to Ukip. ‘To some degree’, note these authors, ‘what Ukip are doing is picking up already disaffected former Labour voters from the Conservatives and elsewhere’.

Yet what remains clear is that Ukip’s current base of support is more loyal than in the past, remains socially distinctive and contains people who now identify strongly with the party. For all of these reasons Ukip may well have more staying power than is often assumed.

 

[Dogsauce]

It's whether this support outlasts Nigel. Farage will have a churn time like most politicians, and friction with other members already exists that could push him off his perch - something that could be exacerbated if he doesn't get a Westminster seat and others do, who go on to gain larger profiles. What happens if the face of UKIP becomes a technocratic ex-tory rather than plain-speaking Farage? My money is on an eventual messy split with assorted factions emerging. Hopefully they can hold out long enough to precipitate the complete collapse of the tory party.

They are building local groups fairly successfully, so I suspect they'll be here to stay for a while, I'm just curious if they're a bit of a one-man band when seen by the wider public, and how they'd get by on policy alone.

 

[Idris2002]

I think I've said it before on this thread, but the UKIPpers are the people who were the backbone of the Tories ever since mass politics began. If they're prepared to split from the party that was once their natural home, then it's a safe bet that the divorce is permanent.

 

[Dogsauce]

I think I've said it before on this thread, but the UKIPpers are the people who were the backbone of the Tories ever since mass politics began. If they're prepared to split from the party that was once their natural home, then it's a safe bet that the divorce is permanent.

Candidates and a lot of members certainly, although some had no previous political involvement (the two party members I know didn't). Supporters are something different, and increasingly WC in background - the unrepresented.

The general view I pick up from this thread is not to attack UKIP voters, because the reason a lot vote/support them is because they feel marginalised and ignored, so attacking them fuels this marginalisation and sense of victimhood (even among the less marginalised supporters) and is therefore counterproductive*. But some candidates and party members are definitely fair game, especially just re-badged tory bigots. There are things that need challenging, in particular for me because I know people who take their growing popularity personally, who feel attacked by the ugly narrative on immigration (and UKIP aren't solely to blame for this) or on sexuality (maybe on this one, for some members, they are more culpable). Solidarity and all that.

*the other point is that being 'productive' in knocking back the UKIP rise leads only to the outcome of a regular flavour government being voted into office, which isn't really a great outcome.

 

[treelover]

Ukip’s greater ‘staying power’ is underlined by the social profile of its base of supporters. In Revolt on the Right, Robert Ford and Matthew Goodwin showed how between 2004 and 2013 Ukip established a base of financially struggling, ‘left behind’ voters who tend to be older, white, male, poorly-educated, working-class and who in earlier years might have voted Labour.

So, how do you get these voters back to even vaguely left wing positions?, certainly not Left Unity with its near hysterical support for open borders, not even a more realistic 'defend migrants' position.

 

[belboid]

Left Unity with its near hysterical support for open borders

lol

 

[Coolfonz]

The top picture is vaguely amusing, but the second bit just makes Private Eye look like sneery wankers.

Private Eye sneer at everyone. That's what makes them good. Apart from other things like actually having investigations.

So, how do you get these voters back to even vaguely left wing positions?, certainly not Left Unity with its near hysterical support for open borders, not even a more realistic 'defend migrants' position.

Bothering to talk to them might be a start. Ukip did it by accident, they suddenly relaised if they talked to these folks they would vote for them, because no one else apart from the BNP was doing it.

 

[youngian]

That the Berlin cabaret scene were among the first rounded up for the concentration camps was not coincidental

Those sneering metropolitan leftards

 

[youngian]

UKIP making an impact on the youngsters

 

[brogdale]

He'll have to move his arse out of that armchair....

 

[brogdale]

Like Winston? Want more?

Fill yer boots here, then.



Skip tp 3.00 if you want to hear the Farage/Jesus comparison.

"Owen"

 

[Quartz]

This Winston McKenzie?

 

[butchersapron]

No

 

[frogwoman]

This Winston McKenzie?

It looks like it is him.

Bloke looks like a homophobic dickhead from the article. However watching that video did you not think the whole posh patronising white guy thing may not go down too well with some people? I mean 'have you ever considered that politics may not be for you?'

 

[Quartz]

It looks like it is him.

Bloke looks like a homophobic dickhead from the article. However watching that video'

I haven't watched the video.

 

[brogdale]

No

 

[brogdale]

It looks like it is him.

Bloke looks like a homophobic dickhead from the article. However watching that video did you not think the whole posh patronising white guy thing may not go down too well with some people? I mean 'have you ever considered that politics may not be for you?'

tbh...having looked at some of the guy's other interviews, I think that the patronising tone is more of a 'house-style'...perhaps reflective of his lack of real confidence etc?

Anyhows Winston don't need anyone to help him look like a dick...he's quite capable of it himself...

 

[frogwoman]

Keeps the wealth and dishes the stealth?

 

[frogwoman]

He reminds me of Terry Tibs